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Date:      Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:20:07 -0800
From:      Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org>
To:        Ed Schouten <ed@fxq.nl>
Cc:        Marcel Moolenaar <xcllnt@mac.com>, FreeBSD Arch <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Proposal for redesigning the TTY layer
Message-ID:  <47B3EBA7.2020005@elischer.org>
In-Reply-To: <20080213192808.GL1340@hoeg.nl>
References:  <20080213150500.GH1340@hoeg.nl>	<A86365DD-5D15-42F2-A810-493B9F9E7AA3@mac.com> <20080213192808.GL1340@hoeg.nl>

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Ed Schouten wrote:
> * Marcel Moolenaar <xcllnt@mac.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 13, 2008, at 7:05 AM, Ed Schouten wrote:
>>
>>> The last couple of days I've been working on a document which describes
>>> the changes I'm going to perform. I have just finished this document, so
>>> I'm sending it to this list, so you can give your opinion on this
>>> matter.
>> You mention the console. It would be best not to tie it up
>> with the TTY layer, because we typically need the console
>> way before we can have a TTY layer. A better approach would
>> be to treat the console as a logging facility that can log
>> to various destinations. The message buffer is one, a
>> system console can be another. That system console should
>> use the TTY layer so that it can accept input. The reason
>> not to tie them and instead think of printf() as a logging
>> request is that it makes matters simpler in a multi-console
>> setup.


does anyone have a copy of the old console-NG design from 386BSD 
(1993/4 or so I think) ?

> 
> I'm planning on keeping the console code as it is. It will only need
> small changes to make it work with the new TTY layer.
> 
>> Also, it may be worthwhile to keep Unicode in mind when you
>> are reworking the clists. If the TTY layer operates on
>> wchar_t instead of char, then all it needs is a device driver
>> that consumes the wchar_t to have native Unicode support.
>> Non-Unicode drivers can use UTF-8 interfaces.
> 
> I personnally think we shouldn't put multibyte-handling inside the
> clists, but within the drivers, like syscons. A lot of drivers just need
> to send the raw 8-bit data to the other side, so it would be better to
> leave the generic TTY layer like that. Syscons could perfectly parse the
> UTF-8 and use a 16-bits font to draw them on screen.
> 
> One thing I really think the TTY code should have somewhere in the
> future, is something similar to Linux's c_iflag `IUTF8', which fixes the
> backspace key in canonical mode.
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion by the way. I'll write it down, but I don't
> think I can do something about this in the nearby future.
> 




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