From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 18 20:51: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from moo.sysabend.org (moo.sysabend.org [63.86.88.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A145737B422 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 20:51:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3C1D755D; Fri, 18 May 2001 20:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E421D89; Fri, 18 May 2001 20:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:52:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Brett Glass Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Opera ports to QNX but not BSD In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010518131458.059ab730@localhost> Message-ID: Approved: yep X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 18 May 2001, Brett Glass wrote: :At 05:17 AM 5/18/2001, Jamie Bowden wrote: : :>As I said, I use postfix currently. If :>you don't need to do more than SMTP, I highly recommend it. : :We would need to develop experience with it. We ABSOLUTELY :CANNOT deploy unfamiliar server software on a mission-critical :server without having worked with it on other machines first. So set up a test machine and spend some time. It really is very well documented and easy. The big drawback is that if you need to support anything but SMTP, you're pretty much stuck with sendmail. :>It is very :>easy to install and configure, and very fast (though I suspect speed is :>likely not an issue for you in the depths of Wyoming). : :What assumptions are you making about Wyoming that would lead you to :believe that this is the case? State population density (or lack thereof in this case). I don't see any indications that Wyoming is home to any major bandwidth either. :Just for your information, we are not in "depths" of any kind. Laramie is :the home of the University of Wyoming, with 9,000+ undergraduates. It is :also two hours from Denver. I'm not trying to pick a fight here Brett, but you're not exactly in an urban setting by any stretch of the imagination. Fairfax Co. Public Schools (where my wife currently teaches) have damn near 150,000 children in attendance. You're in the sticks. The size of Denver's airport aside, it's not exactly and urban mecca either. I'd rather live in your setting personally, but this urban hell I inhabit is where the jobs are. :> Five minutes of your time, maybe ten. :Plus hours of time redoing our spam filters, malware filters, mail :aliases, virtual host and user tables, list servers.... Not such a small :task. Hours? Computers were designed to do exactly the sort of data manipulation you're talking about in an automated fashion. The sed/awk bits to convert one format to another (on a test box of course) shouldn't take that long. Testing is where hours come in, but those hours were well spent if you will see a long term overall savings where your time is concerned. While I was by no means a top sendmail expert, I could and did regularly edit the cf file without bothering to grab the manual. I've never felt so good about dumping something that I spent so much time acquiring skill with. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message