From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 1 2:58:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mrelay.jrc.it (mrelay.jrc.it [139.191.1.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5323150E8 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:58:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nick.hibma@jrc.it) Received: from elect8 (elect8.jrc.it [139.191.71.152]) by mrelay.jrc.it (LMC5692) with SMTP id LAA29905; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:57:55 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:57:54 +0200 (MET DST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@elect8 Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: Alexander Maret Cc: "'hackers@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: xl driver for 3Com In-Reply-To: <91DA20EC3C3DD211833400A0245A4EA9BA0E57@erlangen01.axis.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > FreeBSD developers do things in their spare time and they want > > people to respect that. They want to see some investment from > > the other side as well to make it worthwhile. > > And if that trade off is not what > > you want, there are companies out there that solve problems for money > > (http://www.freebsd.org). > > Well what do you want then? You're on the one hand whining that people don't > post bug reports and on the other hand you say: "Go away and ask other > people". > I didn't want configuration support but wanted to show that there is an > ERROR!!! The discussion started with a remark about the fact that 3Com cards have problems under load, without a backing of that statement. That is the thing that made people trip over. It is a statement that is not the least helpful for anyone on the hackers mailing list and will not trigger help from anyone, apart from responses from people being frustrated about not being able to help (sounds silly but it is true, their puppy is being attacked without them being able to respond). > You're wrong! I tried to participate but everybody just told me that I'm an > idiot. Well perhaps they're right but if nobody wants to hear my bug report > then I'll use another card. A card which driver has been better tested and > where gifted programmers did the bug reports. You think along the lines of least resistance for solving your problems, while developers think along the lines of highest resistance to get bugs sorted out. Added to that was quite a bit of (justifiable) frustration from Bill P. side. And I don't think people call you an idiot and if they did, they are wrong. They are however entitled to express their opinion in a for them suitable way and should be read with their background and a context, you might not be fully aware of, in mind. Do not mistake this for people being angry at you. If you are able to read emotions from an e-mail accurately, you have a very special gift. Maybe we should revert to posting patches. They are easier to read. Nick. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message