From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 18 21:16: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F9637B42C for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 21:16:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24164; Fri, 18 May 2001 22:15:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010518215908.0476ec80@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:08:47 -0600 To: Jamie Bowden From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Opera ports to QNX but not BSD Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010518131458.059ab730@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:52 PM 5/18/2001, Jamie Bowden wrote: >:What assumptions are you making about Wyoming that would lead you to >:believe that this is the case? > >State population density (or lack thereof in this case). I don't see any >indications that Wyoming is home to any major bandwidth either. We are home to more bandwidth than practically any other state, because we are traversed by the I-25 and I-80 corridors plus the Union Pacific and Burlington Northern railroad lines. MOST of the coast-to-coast backbones go through Wyoming, and several nationwide providers have switching and regeneration centers here. The University of Wyoming, here in Laramie, is on Internet II and thus has massive amounts of bandwidth. Still more bandwidth comes through on large microwave links. Broadwing just fired up a huge fiber backbone that runs within a mile of where I'm sitting.... We're looking at tapping in. >I'm not trying to pick a fight here Brett, but you're not exactly in an >urban setting by any stretch of the imagination. An urban setting does not necessarily correlate with the availability of bandwidth. (Ask anyone in New York City who's tried to get DSL from Verizon!) >I'd rather live in your setting personally, but this urban hell I inhabit >is where the jobs are. Actually, Cyberspace is where the jobs are. That's where I work... the nice part is that I get to live here. >:Plus hours of time redoing our spam filters, malware filters, mail >:aliases, virtual host and user tables, list servers.... Not such a small >:task. > >Hours? Computers were designed to do exactly the sort of data >manipulation you're talking about in an automated fashion. The sed/awk >bits to convert one format to another (on a test box of course) shouldn't >take that long. Testing is where hours come in, but those hours were well >spent if you will see a long term overall savings where your time is >concerned. We do a lot of special things. We'd need to check to be sure that the scripts worked as intended. >While I was by no means a top sendmail expert, I could and did regularly >edit the cf file without bothering to grab the manual. I've never felt so >good about dumping something that I spent so much time acquiring skill >with. I've edited the cf file, but don't pretend to know every piece of magic it contains. I do as much as I can with m4 macros, which are themselves tricky but still more manageable. Again, I'd have to learn about postfix or qmail before turning them loose on key servers. Much of the spam I receive seems to have been relayed by misconfigured qmail servers (though old versions of Exchange and Lotus Notes also rank high on the list). --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message