From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 9 14:58:51 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F64540EF1 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 14:58:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x42a.google.com (mail-wr1-x42a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZmHZ4XpSz56pB for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 14:58:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x42a.google.com with SMTP id m13so22223980wro.12 for ; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 06:58:50 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mSty+x5Yoru1LCoSwVgyqlohFBwpt9SpdyzU4LjK3yc=; b=H5+fSSDymYHdCzo126OsB2G6Net2IuIeggUBHayg2yynS3tlgf0flSRKO3FuzjcZwE txa3KD+Sib26DJboI7UP2rgZkzrlEmcxoP23F6NViwQnf+yUyWJiJiROM4IwS5fHCbip kAMPfdGmgWS0dI0JVcqd7ZMf/xz7R8M1gzizBfcY/YWEQiZZj125UMjW5ignv+vAi72e oaacg9rd251jnG9qsfHSIv3rGSbcqYCi/wSx35ToMbcYZhUhav6aT8vNP+Mg52TmpIFK HOXX1Mqm+lP2pSL6XUUIcO/HOFrKEZj0q4ExD8eehFrGaRYRHTuzQCVq0qcwWFXyBLTS 7/JQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Nv0Am9sYd71Ujg+bqIbEmCneji5ymhwy6167U7xpZNxUz/4Ld wo0Eco7uz4tEIRy2dwM/zT2crJib9Zk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzg2jYXLe5AlL5kFTT4FwhV6r1GzvGjNonkiy3rQbi/5txmo0GTBMM6Hxt/IKObp60mF4mAjQ== X-Received: by 2002:adf:9504:: with SMTP id 4mr9238516wrs.306.1612882728957; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 06:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([2.124.155.25]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i8sm39697409wry.90.2021.02.09.06.58.46 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 09 Feb 2021 06:58:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 14:58:43 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What are good mail hosts to use with FreeBSD mailing lists? Message-ID: <20210209145843.079389a3@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <25de0d19-1bb6-610f-c0cb-ef7721086902@panix.com> <24606.3187.85211.65015@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <587ffb90-4041-7e96-f9f7-0f0ff8827587@yuripv.dev> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DZmHZ4XpSz56pB X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.93 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.930]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[2.124.155.25:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42a:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42a:from:127.0.2.255]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42a:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 14:58:51 -0000 On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 10:55:50 -0600 Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > On Feb 6, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Kurt Hackenberg wrote: =20 > > Reminder: Gmail keeps all mail forever, and reads it, ongoing, to > > decide what advertisements Google's services will play at you. > > "Free" isn't really free. =20 >=20 > I wish it were as benign as just advertisements. Less benign would be > analysis of the information and use it in political (=E2=80=9Celection=E2= =80=9D) > play. One can think up even less benign use of everything. >=20 > And as some wise man said: you do not need to recruit spies. Just > roll out =E2=80=9Cfree=E2=80=9D services, and information will float to y= ou. >=20 > I=E2=80=99m writing all this realizing that it will end up in huge number= of > gmail accounts. As 80 or 90 % of all email does. Mailing lists aren't private anyway, so that doesn't really matter. I only use this gmail account for mailing list and only with a traditional MUA. I don't see any ads or give them anything that isn't already public. gmail appears to give FreeBSD lists some special handling because the lists modify the body and always break DMARC. On other lists you can lose posts that are sent from domains with a reject policy. An alternative is to read lists with an NNTP news reader on news.gmane.io.