From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 24 09:07:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5E9106564A for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 09:07:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from k0802647@telus.net) Received: from defout.telus.net (outbound02.telus.net [199.185.220.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E808FC08 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 09:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edtncm04 ([199.185.220.240]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.8.01.03.00 201-2260-125-20100507) with ESMTP id <20110124080230.NBLB5658.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@edtncm04> for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 01:02:30 -0700 Received: from oliver.bc.lan ([66.183.53.162]) by edtncm04 with bizsmtp id zL1d1f02E3VzCbE01L1dNk; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 01:01:38 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=94BYi3n8JE47UgRSiUh6aHGUk/xWnKFVSisjRvp+HfU= c=1 sm=1 a=MGbHYUDQL-gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=HNgjH8kF64GtJ7EcXKEMsQ==:17 a=b-LS6SbR6C7Mba5yoyIA:9 a=XisQc-lSch3uDrgabt3Lqy5salEA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HNgjH8kF64GtJ7EcXKEMsQ==:117 Received: from [10.111.111.113] (unknown [10.111.111.113]) by oliver.bc.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id F41A66455; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 00:02:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D3D3215.3090907@telus.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 00:02:29 -0800 From: Carl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Barton References: <201101232350.p0NNoB2o016577@freefall.freebsd.org> <4D3CF161.8040906@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4D3CF161.8040906@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: kern/154228: [md] md getting stuck in wdrain state X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 09:07:24 -0000 On 2011-01-23 7:26 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > Not to put too fine a point on it, but doing your part in situations > like this is part of the "cost" of "free" software. Believe it or not, I'd actually thought I _was_ doing my part when I spent all that time testing and trying to craft a script to make the situation reproducible. I did what was possible in my situation. I really am truly grateful for the "free" software, but if the "cost" is a choice between nuking a production system or not bothering to spend time submitting bug reports containing as much information as is obtainable, which one will the end user choose? I know plenty of folks that would say that's a trick question and that the correct answer is to not use the "free" software. My turn to sharpen the point - wielding the "free" argument as a club is a bit much when end users are willingly doing what they can to help. Carl / K0802647