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Date:      Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:03:44 +0000 (GMT)
From:      Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>
To:        esr@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond)
Cc:        jkh@time.cdrom.com, brian@hyperreal.org, dwilde1@ibm.net, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: branding
Message-ID:  <199807310003.RAA05919@usr08.primenet.com>
In-Reply-To: <19980730170048.A16844@snark.thyrsus.com> from "Eric S. Raymond" at Jul 30, 98 05:00:48 pm

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> The 1M/year is a proxy for what I'm really trying to accomplish.  If you
> can persuade me that other success criteria would be just as persuasive to
> J. Random Suit, I'll cheerfully add them to the formula. So it's not quite
> as open-and-shut as all that.

I would like to suggest published Venture Captalization as an alternate
criteria.

By limiting it to run-rate-per-year, you are missing out on many
new entries into the market, and by the time you cover them, they
will be "old news".  It would be nice if thyour site were enough
"on the edge" to be considered a Journalistic resource.  This could
only aid you by providing a more public platform from which to speak.

I think, specifically, the release of Kaffe, the first cleanroom
JAVA implementation is worthy of mention.  Despite thier positioning
as a competitor to my own employer, I'd note Freegate as well, even
if the numbers aren't there yet.  I'd also note the NetBSD based
"Interceptor" box from Vixie Enterprises, Inc., as well as the
company that contracts them, the Internet Software Consoritium.


> Jordan, if somebody else were to step up and do a better job I would
> vanish offstage so fast your head would spin.  I don't *want* this
> freaking job; I'd rather be hacking.

I, for one, heartily appreciate this position.  I did both, first
with the 386BSD FAQ, and then with the 386BSD patchkit (which Jordan
should remember, being one of my downstream victims after Nate
Williams.  8^).

I *do* object to the door entry fee going to FSF, on political
grounds, and would much prefer to bankroll the necessary documents
and affidavits proving the clean-rooming Kaffe, or the XFree86
consortium, both of which are rather apolitical (the first is
GPL license, the second MIT license; I'm not playing favorites).

That said, I'm probably going to end up paying my $10, even if it
does go to the people who refused to accept patches in support of
BSD a.out based shared libraries.  8-(.

In any case, if the run rate criteria was relaxed, even if only in
the case of other purely economic criteria, I think feathers would
be smoothed on both sides here...


					Regards,
					Terry Lambert
					terry@lambert.org
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