From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 29 17:08:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE3C106564A for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:08:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD128FC16 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yie12 with SMTP id 12so1968492yie.13 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.105.169 with SMTP id k29mr1083645yhg.332.1304096903411; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bhuda.mired.org (h239.199.28.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net [71.28.199.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u50sm1395753yhn.50.2011.04.29.10.08.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:08:20 -0400 From: Mike Meyer To: Devin Teske Message-ID: <20110429130820.5056390e@bhuda.mired.org> In-Reply-To: <9AD2C0D5-F2A7-4F20-B04A-AF9BFC5918F7@vicor.com> References: <9AD2C0D5-F2A7-4F20-B04A-AF9BFC5918F7@vicor.com> Organization: Meyer Consulting X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.7 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: [RELEASE] New Boot-Loader Menu X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:08:25 -0000 On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 18:53:11 -0700 Devin Teske wrote: > Hello fellow hackers, > > I'd love to finally release (under the BSD license) my code for the revamped FreeBSD boot loader menu. > > Here's a detailed discussion of the release complete with pictures: > http://devinteske.com/new-freebsd-boot-loader-menu Got it, nice simple install (as promised), and it worked like a charm. I'd like to revisit the numbers vs. letters for menu options. IIRC (and I may not), an earlier version used letters for the menu options, and people objected to that change. Since we're changing the menus, we ought to look at which is best for the end user, as opposed to just doing what feels comfortable to us as old users. In particular, there was a study done around '80 (I tried to find it but couldn't; I know of someone who can probably provide a reference if someone really wants it) that showed that menu selection with letters assigned mnemonically are easiest for users to memorize. Not really a major issue - you shouldn't be booting FreeBSD systems all that often, so it's not something I care very much about. However, I figure someone ought to at least speak up for using system that's better for new users rather than quietly doing it the old way since we're making a change anyway. http://www.mired.org/consulting.html Independent Software developer/SCM consultant, email for more information. O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org