From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 4 14:13:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BA837B401; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic-mail.adaptec.com [208.236.45.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06F843F85; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:13:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Received: from redfish.adaptec.com (redfish.adaptec.com [162.62.50.11]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h74LDKo22005; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:13:20 -0700 Received: from freebsd.org (hollin.btc.adaptec.com [10.100.253.56]) by redfish.adaptec.com (8.8.8p2+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16672; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3F2ECBC9.7020808@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:10:33 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway References: <1059994012.207.5.camel@localhost> <20030804174619.GD68433@roark.gnf.org> <20030804184827.GD56633@survey.codeburst.net> <20030804.131957.05878097.imp@bsdimp.com> <20030804203846.GA97580@dragon.nuxi.com> <20030804204806.GA59103@rot13.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20030804204806.GA59103@rot13.obsecurity.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: chat@freebsd.org cc: David O'Brien Subject: Re: pkg_* tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 21:13:21 -0000 Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 01:38:46PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > >>On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 01:19:57PM -0600, M. Warner Losh wrote: >> >>>Heck, we should just have sysinstall install portupgrade if that's the >>>case... >> >>Considering how the Ports Collection has gotten to the point you can't do >>anything post-initial-install w/o portupgrade; I totally agree. > > > Please explain. I think this is FUD - nothing has come to depend on > portupgrade, except that it provides useful features that the ports > collection itself never has. > > Kris cc: trimmed and moved to chat@ The 'fontconfig' mess of recent XFree86 has made a royal mess of things, and the common response I hear to that is, "the ports system is fundamentally flawed and cannot be taught to deal with it, but portupgrade can". However, the times that I've tried to install portupgrade on a non-virgin system (i.e. a system that has been around for a few months and has had many ports installed through the traditional means), it winds up horribly screwing my installation and leaving many things, most notably X, damaged and unusable. I've heard the same horror stories from others around me. Scott