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Date:      Wed, 1 Jan 2020 17:03:32 -0500
From:      George Mitchell <george+freebsd@m5p.com>
To:        Franco Fichtner <franco@lastsummer.de>, Adam Weinberger <adamw@adamw.org>
Cc:        FreeBSD <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org>, "@lbutlr" <kremels@kreme.com>
Subject:   Re: Portmaster failing
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From: George Mitchell <george+freebsd@m5p.com>
To: Franco Fichtner <franco@lastsummer.de>, Adam Weinberger <adamw@adamw.org>
Cc: FreeBSD <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org>, "@lbutlr" <kremels@kreme.com>
Message-ID: <2726af4c-e160-01cd-b3ae-5bd02f984787@m5p.com>
Subject: Re: Portmaster failing
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On 2020-01-01 16:23, Franco Fichtner wrote:
> Hi Adam,
>=20
>> On 1. Jan 2020, at 10:18 PM, Adam Weinberger <adamw@adamw.org> wrote:
>> [...]
>> This is why we practically beg people to use poudriere.
>=20
> Let me stop you right here and say: ports Framework itself is
> suffering from this wishful attitude

PLUS UMPTEEN*!!!

> and this has nothing to do
> with readily available poudriere "replacements" which are not
> as good as poudriere for sure.

Assuming you can get poudriere to work.  Even by today's standards,
a low-cost PC is not going to have the juice to support it.  And to
reiterate, the ports framework itself MUST work standalone.

> If the ports framework isn't seen as a stand alone infrastructure
> worth its own integrity the discussion is already dead and the
> quality will keep to decline for every casual FreeBSD user who
> doesn't really care for this or that tool, but wants to install
> software from the ports tree manually.
> [...]
-- George

* umpteen: an unspecified large number


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