From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Thu Dec 28 02:23:10 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE306E94280 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 02:23:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [192.108.105.60]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.soaustin.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AAFE64394; Thu, 28 Dec 2017 02:23:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (bones.soaustin.net [192.108.105.22]) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DFF0F3D0; Wed, 27 Dec 2017 20:23:02 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 20:23:01 -0600 From: Mark Linimon To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: karels@freebsd.org, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: making SW_WATCHDOG dynamic Message-ID: <20171228022301.GA30039@lonesome.com> References: <201712261425.vBQEPMmQ007578@mail.karels.net> <201712271811.vBRIBqOK061996@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201712271811.vBRIBqOK061996@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 02:23:10 -0000 On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 10:11:52AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > I think we have lost some light as to what the GENERIC kernel > is really for, to get you up and running good enough that you > can infact build a custom kernel. I do not think it was ever > intended that people run this long term, though over the years > that has become the defacto standard. IMHO, a bad one at that. By including more things in GENERIC, we expanded our audience past "kernel developers + system administrators". In particular, including "people using desktops and laptops who just want to get work done". Expecting everyone to recompile their kernels would be a shocking step backwards for the project IMVHO. mcl