From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 9 20:55:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFB9106568C for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 20:55:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from opti.dougb.net (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DD81588EC; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 20:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4FFB44BA.3040208@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:53:14 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120624 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan McKeown References: <4FFA7980.4000707@FreeBSD.org> <201207091533.08963.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> In-Reply-To: <201207091533.08963.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.2 OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 20:55:34 -0000 On 07/09/2012 06:33, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > On Monday 09 July 2012 09:34:34 Avleen Vig wrote: >> The issue is also one of barrier-to-entry. By removing `dig` and >> `host`, I think we're making things unnecessarily more difficult for >> people who don't *know* FreeBSD. `dig` and `host` a universally >> standard tools for doing DNS lookups. Taking them away in base to >> replace them with something else just seems like something that won't >> really *help* users. > > Yes. So we should change the base system so that by default it does a database > lookup whenever you type an unrecognised command - to lower the barrier to > entry. Right. > We should also change the base system to remove the most commonly used > tools for doing DNS lookups, to.... what was the reason again? It's been covered at length in this thread. We get it, change is hard. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection