From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Wed Sep 2 18:36:16 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BBDC3C41FD for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 18:36:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Received: from outbound2k.ore.mailhop.org (outbound2k.ore.mailhop.org [54.148.219.64]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BhXhJ0Hcrz41v6 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 18:36:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1599071774; cv=none; d=outbound.mailhop.org; s=arc-outbound20181012; b=M5Yp1F/mm7ndQZppPmwH37Vqvz/BkDUqnzcQbGnZ+OY+GmlXNJk25qAn+g7wbg00RxWSNMxrD8xil jI2Sj76OkC0uBLmDqPn+BzlGFxtiVgRx6oK0vUnvFrLw9NMBCBfxVY8nfJKcTIDjqcjInoDuca/xXs 4ZvqmKxpEx/hKl+O89k0RVBQTdTJklR2lWtVvXj0ZOGAhguZzHqbeaAmLigQSkJ6U/k1nbJ9yvUWbR rn4SlSpPP5GvGZ50HRsSH1y8UwB8UvkhginkIpneyvSBaTTTBdV4opd7DHfJE/CKUDEsbyNoN0N7K3 1kN0mkQfg/dOVfwTXluWlvnF984jffQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outbound.mailhop.org; s=arc-outbound20181012; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:content-type:references:in-reply-to: date:cc:to:from:subject:message-id:dkim-signature:from; bh=8Ieqy9+c47Y/xBXid3iSNOArU1JKe5c56zYi/5M96fY=; b=OXGmdLWP7+uecgFufvIu4aeltyKXbIA6fuJ4eAKXil0loB9a/bk+RAd7F6rDLMf+m+N4p/OAWivne 3Ho1664gLf6cMJ+qiuLc+4sGfFLPvn/3UCBZDsWCcLCUdl1Gb8FRg9pFXXfXhLQbzibf3/EBqt+Fbf 4sh7n0AgMHa4RYam72xZlmOKQeFGkry4tcJHCZRP2YuLJ5+WrikkNjYsDPpm4KwDrlskt1E9bMVM8a chDl0O00vajkFBBrOoJ4WZZOwl6lbF7lS4AvL2qH3UwJPuvdx745JdxcX9kCgWQGlnFk6AE4PMHDyp O5iwCdQFoqcTiVCvqrk53lT/0EcF94Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; outbound4.ore.mailhop.org; spf=softfail smtp.mailfrom=freebsd.org smtp.remote-ip=67.177.211.60; dmarc=none header.from=freebsd.org; arc=none header.oldest-pass=0; X-MHO-RoutePath: aGlwcGll X-MHO-User: 2cefc480-ed4b-11ea-9e11-df46ed8f892f X-Report-Abuse-To: https://support.duocircle.com/support/solutions/articles/5000540958-duocircle-standard-smtp-abuse-information X-Originating-IP: 67.177.211.60 X-Mail-Handler: DuoCircle Outbound SMTP Received: from ilsoft.org (c-67-177-211-60.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.177.211.60]) by outbound4.ore.mailhop.org (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 2cefc480-ed4b-11ea-9e11-df46ed8f892f; Wed, 02 Sep 2020 18:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rev (rev [172.22.42.240]) by ilsoft.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 082IaBrq046515; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 12:36:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <5c89b4d27281f5dfffc3252a90013b0ac6c763d7.camel@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Plans for git (was: Please check the current beta git conversions) From: Ian Lepore To: Warner Losh , Steve Kargl Cc: FreeBSD Current Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2020 12:36:11 -0600 In-Reply-To: References: <20200902045939.GA15897@eureka.lemis.com> <20200902060117.GG53210@home.opsec.eu> <20200902063136.GA47543@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20200902164706.GA49777@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ASCII" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BhXhJ0Hcrz41v6 X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:54.148.0.0/15, country:US] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2020 18:36:16 -0000 On Wed, 2020-09-02 at 11:11 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 10:47 AM Steve Kargl < > sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 02, 2020 at 12:14:08PM -0400, Ed Maste wrote: > > > On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 at 02:31, Steve Kargl > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > A short intro on git for svn users: > > > > > https://hackmd.io/ML5TSl8mQ5-27B5eqDf7YA?view > > > > > > > > > > > > > ROTFL. From the "short intro", 2nd sentence. > > > > > > > > New committers are assumed to already be familiar with the > > > > basic > > > > operation of Git. If not, start by reading the Git Book. > > > > > > This doc started as a direct translation of the Subversion > > > primer, > > > which has as its first sentence: > > > > New committers are assumed to already be familiar with the > > > > basic > > > > operation of Subversion. If not, start by reading the Subversion > > Book. > > > > > > As with the Subversion primer the doc is intended to provide a > > > quick > > > reference for day-to-day commands, but not act as a reference or > > > introduction to the entire theory of operation of the associated > > > VCS. > > > > Like GCC, which did the svn to git dance at start of the year, > > FreeBSD is throwing away a decade+ of corporate knowledge of > > working with svn and /usr/src. What is needed is a succinct > > translation of the most common svn commands translated to git. > > > > Checking out /usr/src as user@freebsd.org > > > > svn checkout svn+ssh://user@svn.freebsd.org/base/head /usr/src > > > > git ... > > > > Checking out /usr/src without freebsd.org account > > > > svn checkout https://svn.freebsd.org/base/head > > ${HOME}/freebsd/src > > > > git ... > > > > Creating diff against updated head. > > > > svn update > > svn diff > patch.diff > > > > git ... > > > > Adding a new file > > > > svn add /usr/src/libm/msun/src/_s_sinpi.c > > > > git ... > > > > Committing a change to /usr/src > > > > svn update > > svn diff | more (everyone does one last check, > > right?) > > svn commit > > > > git ... > > > > This is an insultingly stupid comment to make. We don't need people > to say > the obvious. > > This sort of comment isn't helpful. People will just ignore you if > you make > too many of them like it. > Seriously, Warner? I applaud Steve's message as being the first one in this thread that has any real value at all. Unlike everyone else, he has clearly seen what the basic problem is (zero communications about this impending cutover to the people who need to work with it every day), and he summarized it in a completely practical way. This assumption that everyone knows how to use git is mind-boggling. I think I installed it once, a few years ago. Then I uninstalled it because of how abysmally hard it was to try to learn even a few commands to do anything with it. I guess Steve & I are a couple dinosaurs and the whole rest of the freebsd user and committer community is laughing at our ignorance and thinking "we don't need their contributions anyway, so let's just mock them and move on." -- Ian