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Date:      Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:57:59 -0400
From:      "Michael W. Lucas" <mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org>
To:        Edwin Groothuis <edwin@mavetju.org>, "Michael W. Lucas" <mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org>, Robert Watson <rwatson@freebsd.org>, Cyrille Lefevre <clefevre-lists@9online.fr>, Hackers FreeBSD <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: general Darwin imports (was Re: Darwin cmd import?)
Message-ID:  <20040605125759.GA17077@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org>
In-Reply-To: <20040605115915.GA1149@k7.mavetju>
References:  <00ce01c44458$8a28d880$7890a8c0@dyndns.org> <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1040529194548.74482Z-100000@fledge.watson.org> <20040602135757.GC89452@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> <20040605115915.GA1149@k7.mavetju>

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On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 09:59:15PM +1000, Edwin Groothuis wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 09:57:57AM -0400, Michael W. Lucas wrote:
> > People may gripe about Apple not returning stuff to the open source
> > community.  The truth is, they have.  They aren't responsible for
> > converting what they return into a format we can use, but they haven't
> > deliberately obfuscated their code.  Sorting out the diffs would be a
> > pain, but not horribly difficult.
> > 
> > According to Jordan Hubbard, the best source of low-hanging fruit is
> > their modified libc.  They've had people work out all sorts of bugs,
> > clean up functions, performance improvements, etc.  Libc changes
> > require extensive testing.  They also have wide-reaching benefits.
> > It's still BSDL'd, so we can take back whatever we want.
> 
> Now the question of course is: where can I find it? It is somewhere
> in a CVS repository (that would be nicest), or are it raw sourcefiles
> only?

The URL of the source was referenced earlier in this thread, IIRC.

> Edwin, now owning a Mac so not really familiar with things

Neither am I.

You might check out the opendarwin.org web site and see what they have
to say on the issue.  I suspect if you asked on their mailing list and
said you wanted to start bringing stuff back to FreeBSD, they'd be
happy to give you all the pointers you need.

==ml

-- 
Michael Lucas		mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org
   "I'm sorry, but 'Social Darwinism' is no excuse for killing all of 
	           your co-workers."  -- Ivan Brunetti
		http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/



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