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Date:      Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:22:00 -0800
From:      "Jan B. Koum " <jkb@best.com>
To:        "Jason C. Wells" <jcwells@u.washington.edu>, FreeBSD-advocacy <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Whistle Claims and Copyrights
Message-ID:  <19981025202200.B14664@best.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9810251852020.4553-100000@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu>; from Jason C. Wells on Sun, Oct 25, 1998 at 07:09:18PM -0800
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.05.9810251852020.4553-100000@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu>

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On Sun, Oct 25, 1998 at 07:09:18PM -0800, "Jason C. Wells" <jcwells@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> http://www.whistle.com/products/prod-basicfaq.html#bsd
> 
> They use BSD instead of free software? Gag!! I guess they are afraid to
> "come out of the closet."

	Read below.

> 
> To be fair, they do meet the requirements of the Board of Regents
> copyright terms.
> 
> Why doesn't FreeBSD add FreeBSD, Inc to the copyright? Certainly /usr/src
> contains copyrightable contributions by FreeBSD. A statement in the
> copyright requiring...
> 
> 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software
>    must display the following acknowledgement:
> 
> This product includes software developed by the University of
> California, Berkeley and its contributors and FreeBSD Inc. and it's
> contributors.
> 
> ...would seem wholly appropriate. The BSD license does not seem to
> preclude such a statement.
> 
> Do we not do this to prevent scaring away customers like Whistle who are
> unwilling to advertise that they use free software?
> 
> Catchya Later,		|	UW Mechanical Engineering
> Jason Wells		|	http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/
> 
> 
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	Ahh.. C'mon. Whistle has done SO MUCH for FreeBSD community it is
	simply not fair to blame them of something as small as this.

	If Whistle was "unwilling to advertise that they use free software",
	I am sure they wouldn't come to ORA's Open Source day and tell 
	people that they do use FreeBSD. I personally heard Terry say this.

	Plus, I am sure this was done by Marketing, who had no idea that
	"Linux Unix" is no such thing and that having OS "in very little
	memory" is well.. uhm.. not very technical saying.

	If anything, I want to say to Whistle folks, it is Thanks, with
	capitol "T". Thanks for picking FreeBSD, Thanks for sending code
	you wrote and bugs and fixes you found back to FreeBSD. Thanks for
	creating another company at which we can point and say: "Look, they 
	use FreeBSD".  Thanks to Julian, Archie, Terry, David W., and many 
	many others.
	
-- Yan

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