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From: "Stephen F. Combs" <steve@combs.salem.ge.com>
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Subject: Re: Proposal to change name of this list to a less embarrassing one
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I agree wholeheartedly, but don't know what to re-name it to! I'd recommend
"internals" or something like that (to retain the flavor of it being those
who work deep within......).
Steve Combs
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> From owner-freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com  Wed Jul  5 08:08:52 1995
> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 10:42:45 +0200
> From: Julian Howard Stacey <jhs@vector.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de>
> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org
> Subject: Proposal to change name of this list to a less embarrassing one
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> 
> I propose we change the list name `hackers' to [ Suggestions Please ].
> 
> The world of journalists & bosses & general public has made up its mind
> a hacker is anti-social, the name thus harms FreeBSD's image.
> 
> It's hard enough to persuade bosses and friends to use FreeBSD, rather than
> something commercial, it's harder still when one must tell the `Suits':
>   "Your administrator should subscribe to a list called `hackers'"
> 
> The difference between a `hacker' & a `cracker' is something
> no one but us & other techno-freaks knows or cares about.
> We are too few to have a hope of educating the world's press.
> 
> The word `hacker' has been hijacked & had its meaning changed, 
> we should respond accordingly.
> ( Most people old enough to have had the habit, have long since given up
>   saying "I'm gay" when merely joyful & happy, as that word too has changed its
>   meaning; similarly `nice' once meant `exact' but no longer does.)
> 
> Words change, `hackers' attracts negative publicity.  Let's change it.
> The new name should be `future proof' & non-repelant to individual
> programmers working in their leisure time, to commercial firms & governmental 
> users. Perhaps something like forum@freebsd.org ? (just an example,
> the important thing is to expire `hackers').
> 
> For the people with CD-ROMs that refer to hackers@
> we could retain an /etc/aliases entry on freebsd.org for a year or so.
> 
> Changing the name of `hackers@freebsd.org' won't happen without public support,
> would those in favour please respond publicly, (no point mailing me privately).
> Thanks.
> 
> Julian S
>