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Date:      Mon, 7 May 2001 16:41:04 -0500
From:      Will Andrews <will@physics.purdue.edu>
To:        David O'Brien <obrien@FreeBSD.ORG>
Cc:        Jesper Skriver <jesper@skriver.dk>, hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: We seriously need a cleanup on ftp-master
Message-ID:  <20010507164104.I3246@casimir.physics.purdue.edu>
In-Reply-To: <20010507142813.A12106@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Mon, May 07, 2001 at 02:28:13PM -0700
References:  <20010507125604P.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <20010507231953.A41580@skriver.dk> <20010507142813.A12106@dragon.nuxi.com>

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On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 02:28:13PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote:
> On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 11:19:53PM +0200, Jesper Skriver wrote:
> > I would suggest to remove the following from the ftp server too, it's
> > really better to access the source tree via cvsup, cvsweb, as a .tar.gz
> > or similar methods, and the thousands of files makes it a pain to mirror.
> 
> This makes it pain for people wanting to get our source code to look at
> for reference or use in non-FreeBSD projects.  IMHO CVSweb sucks for
> anything other than using it as a "one off" ``cvs log''.  If one wants
> all the files to say src/bin/sh, CVSweb is a difficult way to get them.
> Same for CVSup for non-FreeBSD users.
> 
>  
> > Same goes with the ports
> > pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/ports/ 
> > pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable/ports/  
> > pub/FreeBSD/branches/*/ports/ 
> 
> I have to 100% totally disagree here.  I point many people to the checked
> out ports tree to get newer bits.  You are thinking as a FreeBSD Power
> User here who probably runs -current.  Not in the mind of a lot of our
> Linux converts.

I agree with what David says here.

> > And perhaps make a decistion regarding if we should distribute snapshots
> > from ftp.freebsd.org, or only from current.freebsd.org (and then
> > transfer the alpha snapshots there instead of ftp-master).
> 
> Perhaps we should just go out of the FTP distribution business.  IMHO it
> does not seem you really want to be a FTP mirror.
> 
> I have always kept one usable Alpha -current snapshot on the FTP site.
> current.freebsd.org isn't mirrored, thus anyone wanting to access it has
> to do to that one site.  Why mirror ftp.freebsd.org at all then?
> BTW, my experiences for the past several years is that connectivity to
> current.freebsd.org is less than usable quite often.

Well, I doubt that many people use the snaps at all.  So I think having
separate sites for them is an OK idea.  Perhaps we should keep a small
number of "known working" snaps on the ftp site, I guess.

-- 
wca

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