From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Tue Dec 19 18:04:07 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE20E946BB for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 18:04:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias.andree@gmx.de) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80ED6376F; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 18:04:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias.andree@gmx.de) Received: from mandree.no-ip.org ([77.181.101.158]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MGEv5-1eFY8F0iQx-00FAtq; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 19:03:04 +0100 Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost6.localdomain6 [IPv6:::1]) by apollo.emma.line.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5A123D416; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 19:03:00 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Procmail got updated! To: Ted Hatfield , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Eugene Grosbein Cc: Sunpoet Po-Chuan Hsieh References: From: Matthias Andree Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 19:03:00 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: de-DE X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:E26v0DNTYAuEUfPEb+WHX1dJ2WHznzC75Na3ZgbbC9wHUezlLVm ZQ6hcM+d7BtRE+iUVuPBIREnPsyC78zbcJ/3lBmzgixZcx3mMifSKbUQVJFVoOo8GafvKYl J7I4O6fut0mHavmGf65P2OerWHUdL6zntDEN1MZ08/cf4b5730QhLXb4AQE4DNLLYmq3O3g TSxNLMeLEa0MICNm3D3DA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:4VwiUJnhC+U=:JYbhzMHkzhazo/eVVOpb9f NjWwXQML8jZc7GAA0PfI6XWxldQAbtyOgYzER9hlOUg+kxuvCJQfjz+e24+r6rP+kGx8JDiow A2us/wwvq/5MeXSkfyggsKC9DMnccFPkih6xS+zpVEZAxAyQ7hzNtadhsltEkYzYpH0hQbHLM brTiRakCIKW3DzYG1vsS7bpnEszmKL0QpAn2rvQzMJQj4uyGfkBvlWI5cT19P9za/iuVbUoPe R0PesS/Rp4AcIiC4X9OrgtcNr3xFzpc39qlVPI+N63bvTtMELX+IMCJkBcUsQ6EkwxEng0NIw DNBuYUrJOB8A1JFxht4YSIks6S8oki+iHC6Eb0ncUsY6nVkPhc5ZE8C58l78/aTT7OMFRVJcT ymh0jsDi+aOEStYYI3fOpYfZQRS2J9yOibPi1a4Seg7/AApD5dHnocxA3ybAjQDousEIrsGje YYe5D4NThn/CFi5gxH6sfNMHP88XRnbIRrI+K/DLHulKA9or/jXk9rIw9adaEWDzzFwSi9duf aj5YTA8saldWCev56hT8i/swB9ZS3HSOol93DTemf2XU1XPDQjIs45j+hPBrXxkbUmWqGID7n BX3eW8auarWOqQs/st8+5h68skAucfDU7DcbaM0BKNXyXywjg1EcfiBXFCxSIRB/RejyGTB9X PaXHVSzN1EWL1i1WrJ9Hdxb2X34AHMAWELLhLQx15dOLJvy1CaHt+oWX+B2ZM92bvbppC/7VR 9EOgrvuik06YlfuxvAWxHDGcmDSgpt6iJxL1xnK/CLXXhiAHcJXAI+zEER9C6eDwffQFy7JXO xHpx1GLf63i2ZZNo1fGcxHkLNQUXXiLPx6GSCy4/tIc2w0wbwQ= X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 18:04:07 -0000 Am 19.12.2017 um 01:30 schrieb Ted Hatfield: > > > On Mon, 18 Dec 2017, Matthias Andree wrote: > >> Am 18.12.2017 um 00:17 schrieb Dave Horsfall: >>> Doing my regular update, and... >>> >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Upgrading procmail from 3.22_9 to 3.22_10... >>> >>> Good grief; who's the masochist who volunteered to support this >>> obscure insecure and hitherto-unsupported scripting language? >>> >> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports?view=3Drevision&revision=3D455800 >> >> I'd agree we should pull the plug on the package. We'll be in for the >> usual "but it works for me" screaming of the irresponsible people who >> don't care (and most of them won't know that they need to write the >> exception/error handling themselves in their .procmailrc recipes). >> >> Sunpoet, can we mark the port as deprecated given that even the upstre= am >> once said it should best be abolished? I can't find the reference now,= >> the procmail.org website displays "Site hosting in transit, informatio= n >> will be back up shortly." >> > > Dear Matthias, > > As one of the "irresponsible" people who is still using procmail on > our systems and has built an number of scripts and customer > infrastructure around it I take exception to the term irresponsible.=C2= =A0 > Perhaps the better word is overworked.=C2=A0 If I had the time to move = to > dovecot/sieve or maildrop as a local delivery agent I would have done > so by now. > > Ted Hatfield Dear Ted, Eugene, I think if the procmail language were a bit more "regular", someone would have written converter scripts long ago by now. Other than that, I find it hard to believe that people don't have time for over x in [3; 17] years to migrate, which in many cases would in my book be more a situation of "I don't want to..." rather than "I am unable to...". I don't mean to judge your situation, just that to me it looks a matter that you have not yet found it important enough to bother.= Given that the former maintainer asked OpenBSD to pull the plug on the port already 37 months ago (see here ) after findings from fuzzing, and now to see security updates to a defunct upstream port, I don't think we should keep the port around for much longer. The expiration I was proposing isn't "axe it out now", we would not normally do that, and it's at the maintainer's (i. e. sunpoet@'s) discretion what expiration date, if any, will be set. But the question if we as downstream packagers/providers want to step in for a package abolished by the upstream almost a generation ago, is one that needs serious consideration. I wouldn't endorse that the project waste time on decrepit ports for which decent alternatives exist. Best, Matthias