From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Wed Jun 10 09:55:24 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A4C32F439 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49hj636Xw6z3TlH for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:55:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id E0A4832F3EC; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06BA32F671 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:55:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: from mx.blih.net (mx.blih.net [212.83.155.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx.blih.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49hj632kBdz3ThV; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:55:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bidouilliste.com; s=mx; t=1591782922; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=otleOrrwsSVPsUEcwHJuRZBVhfv4cRV913RTujWzclA=; b=T49pE+qu7pNlG59TBWtb7Y9a49SBWe4YQ6Zc1oVo1sfCSJSKhJiWmYmtP+a+OQkAd1rfeB cBhr46w42kopfVmsJd+zFB93EENFjv83vfcMSXvnhhWUw0r64f91PzXH0fyv3rnPoohW8i Ngv5xbx+HCkmqxmaBIPkGblt2BzqtVg= Received: from skull.home.blih.net (lfbn-idf2-1-900-181.w86-238.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.238.131.181]) by mx.blih.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id d4b5ea57 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:55:22 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:55:22 +0200 From: Emmanuel Vadot To: Kyle Evans Cc: Clay Daniels , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Release Engineering Team Subject: Re: nightly snapshot for CURRENT ? Message-Id: <20200610115522.9b8541a12e746d24bb9537c2@bidouilliste.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20200609214756.13e9cbbc2de12bbb78839875@bidouilliste.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49hj632kBdz3ThV X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12876, ipnet:212.83.128.0/19, country:FR] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:55:24 -0000 On Tue, 9 Jun 2020 19:56:27 -0500 Kyle Evans wrote: > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 7:17 PM Clay Daniels wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 2:48 PM Emmanuel Vadot wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > I've just hit again something that I've hit (and probably others too) > > > often. > > > If a change in base break some ports and it's snapshoted in the txz > > > available at download.freebsd.org, you need to wait a week for the next > > > tarball to be available. > > > Since poudriere uses the tarball when you setup a jail it means that > > > the only solution you have is to recreate your jail by building it, and > > > since building world nowdays is very expensive that delay your work too > > > much. > > > Would it be possible to generate the tarballs every day instead of > > > every week ? At least for tier-1 arches. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > -- > > > Emmanuel Vadot > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > At first I thought you were referring to the weekly snapshots packaged as > > install images: > > https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/snapshots/ISO-IMAGES/13.0/ > > > > But I think you are talking about the snapshots of each part, like base, > > kernel, ports. src, etc to use as a roll your own install like: > > https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/snapshots/arm64/13.0-CURRENT/ > > > > Yes, these are the parts he's talking about. My initial impression is > that it'd be nice if we could (somehow) leverage Jenkins artifacts [0] > to get even more frequent updates if we really needed to without > significantly impacting re@ -- that's a little more difficult, though, > because build breakage makes it hard to predict what the latest > snapshot you can actually grab is, if any. Perhaps a script that > creates a symlink to the 'last known functional across the board' > revision periodically... > > [0] http://artifacts.ci.freebsd.org/snapshot/head/r361934/amd64/amd64/ I haven't thought about using those, I'll see if I can come up with a poudriere patch that could use this. Thanks for the idea :) > > From my selfish perspective as a weekly installer of the regular Thursday > > image or iso of 13.0 Current, I would hate to lose the pre-rolled > > installer, and I think there are probably others like me. As long as you > > keep the weekly install snapshots, it will not affect folks like me. I must > > say that what you want to do is how NetBSD does their daily cent > > snapshots, and they do not even offer pre-rolled install images. > > > > But you are a real developer and I'm just a retired guy playing with his > > hobby, so go ahead and do what you think is best for you. > > > > This was brought up in a public forum, you should probably feel free > to make non-obstructive comments like this to make sure a fairly > common need is represented. The (light-hearted?) self-deprecation near > the end of this makes me a bit uneasy- I certainly hope you didn't > feel like it was mandatory to acknowledge that he's a developer and > you're a hobbyist, because there's most assuredly more hobbyists (such > as myself) lurking with similar needs/desires. =-) > > Thanks, > > Kyle Evans > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Emmanuel Vadot