From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 28 7:29:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from riker.skynet.be (riker.skynet.be [195.238.3.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5E737B406 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:29:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [194.78.241.123] ([194.78.241.123]) by riker.skynet.be (8.11.2/8.11.2/Skynet-OUT-2.11) with ESMTP id f5SESwO12800; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:28:58 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010628151228.N9802@lpt.ens.fr> References: <200106260901.AA23134284@stmail.pace.edu> <20010626084126W.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <2425994267.20010627160101@163.net> <20010628103439.C9802@lpt.ens.fr> <2515701.993712862@[192.168.1.60]> <20010628151228.N9802@lpt.ens.fr> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:26:42 +0200 To: Rahul Siddharthan , Stuart Krivis From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: So what happens to FreeBSD now? Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 3:12 PM +0200 6/28/01, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > the $1299 Apple comes with: I can configure a $1314 Dell system with: > 12.1 inch TFT XGA display 14 inch TFT XGA > 500 MHz G3 700 MHz PIII > 64MB SDRAM 128 MB SDRAM > 10GB UltraATA hard drive 10GB UltraATA hard drive > CDROM drive CDROM drive > 10/100BASE-T ethernet 10/100+56K internal modem > 56K internal modem You're not comparing models with like features, like sizes and weights, like battery lifes, etc.... This comparison is totally meaningless. If you want to make a proper comparison, you've got to get as close to exactly the same configuration as possible on both machines. > Whichever way you calculate, I don't see a price difference > of $1000, or anything else particularly compelling about the iBook. See my other post on this subject, which does a more proper comparison of like with like. > I haven't used a PPC myself, but from what benchmarks I've seen, the > difference isn't *that* great. Besides, the real bottlenecks in a > system are elsewhere: RAM, disk I/O, etc. That's why I don't mind > using a Celeron, especially on a laptop. PowerPC is able to do a lot more work per Mhz than Intel or Intel-compatible chips. Therefore comparing Mhz of one chip to Mhz of another is a completely and totally wasted operation. > Well, but the chip's the same -- I don't see why Apple would mind if > IBM is aiming for more power. No, read the other messages. The chip is *NOT* the same. IBM has the Power4 multi-chip CPU architecture that they are most interested in. For desktop machines, they're mostly taking old versions of the G3 chip and ramping up their speed, which is not what Apple needs. For Motorola, they're mostly interested in the embedded market, which needs ultra-low power drain, so they're not investing nearly enough time, money, or effort into development of the G4 chips that Apple *does* need, or the new G5 chips that Apple will soon need. Therefore, Apple needs to be able to take their destiny into their own hands, and create their own chip designs that are optimized for the desktop and laptop markets, and then be able to farm out the fabrication to appropriate companies. -- Brad Knowles, /* efdtt.c Author: Charles M. Hannum */ /* Represented as 1045 digit prime number by Phil Carmody */ /* Prime as DNS cname chain by Roy Arends and Walter Belgers */ /* */ /* Usage is: cat title-key scrambled.vob | efdtt >clear.vob */ /* where title-key = "153 2 8 105 225" or other similar 5-byte key */ dig decss.friet.org|perl -ne'if(/^x/){s/[x.]//g;print pack(H124,$_)}' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message