From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 22:24:18 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BC915B7 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:24:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-x22a.google.com (mail-ig0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D243E09 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:24:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f170.google.com with SMTP id l13so44643035iga.1 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:24:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XnQaha0laif5rX1bELXSnW2Y9QS5sZz4/lAvL+Bv43k=; b=PsCCEGuz/zvz4akCR+ASpzKLzuFyzpweFmnN4TSIZqAwLo7zKJZJgRkxiEy39sClTb XOr+eY7r8dMYdu68k5tDI5BewwtJ3VcVKmhnQWEH5zNuSkvtikkBlX0qrlwIi+k6GF6Z m/NM2Y0RriYWxzUsUh1D4QM/i2qQOTD0UJw+g9dh2mIP+2DfFGn8CAMBJX7oSBOMsboo Fj6fDbw8bqGBIXf0vbZe33Hbc2EV1whxb7tIigePHOcaeTRTFbXcLWzvfloESdOfgOeR jMfnQVav5HF1UaByVuA30NEnV9aYKFxZ6ffIQW2Pa4K2zHos7G9PCHGZGyBYcaY0bjZ3 XV2Q== X-Received: by 10.50.66.170 with SMTP id g10mr30702844igt.49.1424211857707; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:24:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([50.243.6.59]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ie15sm10825891igb.12.2015.02.17.14.24.16 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:24:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54E3BF90.9060609@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:24:16 -0700 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150217202411.GA42894@neutralgood.org> <20150217222744.0a9b1d87@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20150217222744.0a9b1d87@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:24:18 -0000 On 02/17/2015 02:27 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:24:11 -0500, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: >> http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html > When I was young we cracked copying protections and removed bugs from > the broken assembler code of software we pay for. If we wouldn't have > cracked the copy protection, it would have damaged our floppy disks > (Commodore 1541 bump, with later disks using a light barrier, it was > impossible to load the copy protected software, we needed to remove the > light barrier and/or crack the copy protection) and if we wouldn't have > fixed the bugs, the software wouldn't have worked. > > That was a note about the "criminal" hackers from my generation and now > a note about the "criminal" hackers about the current generation. > > Guerilla Open Access Manifesto: > https://archive.org/stream/GuerillaOpenAccessManifesto/Goamjuly2008_djvu.txt > > IOW it's an ethical decision. I never read a diary of somebody else, > just because I was able to do it. Cracking software we pay for, that > doesn't work and/or will damage our hardware, hacking for social > commitment are good ethical reasons. > > Schadenfreude and greed are bad. > I believe a major overhaul of the software industry (both open source and commercial) is way way overdue. A people's tribunal of highly capable software and hardware engineers is desperately needed to look into the source codes of all SW and HW designs and implementations - including the compilers and assemblers.