From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 4 00:45:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B52416A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:45:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from scorpion.eng.ufl.edu (scorpion.eng.ufl.edu [128.227.116.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E1CE43D3F for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:45:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob89@eng.ufl.edu) Received: (qmail 20392 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2005 00:45:19 -0000 Received: from scanner.engnet.ufl.edu (HELO ?128.227.152.221?) (128.227.152.221) by scorpion.eng.ufl.edu with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 00:45:19 -0000 Message-ID: <4227AF9F.5070308@eng.ufl.edu> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:45:19 -0500 From: Bob Johnson Organization: University of Florida User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050131) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jesse Guardiani References: <422792AA.1080301@wilderness.homeip.net> <200503031839.15265.jesse@wingnet.net> In-Reply-To: <200503031839.15265.jesse@wingnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /boot like linux! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:45:21 -0000 Jesse Guardiani wrote: >On Thursday 03 March 2005 5:41 pm, [someone] wrote: > > >> >>I'm not sure I understand the problem. If you don't want to create more >>partitions, then don't. You can make an 80gb (or 300gb, or whatever) >>drive into two partitions - a swap partition (2gig) and a / partition >>(78 gig) and install FreeBSD just fine. >> >> > >Doesn't the boot partition have to NOT have soft updates though? > > No, I don't think so. >I created the setup you described about a year ago with 5.2.1, and >I had serious problems if the system ever hard rebooted after a >power failure. Single user manual fsck's and all that. > > > > That configuration should not make serious fs corruption more likely, it just makes it more likely to happen on the / partition (!). In general, the FreeBSD filesystem is highly tolerant of things like power failures, and should be even better when softupdates is turned on. But it can fail, and 5.2.1 was NOT considered a production release, so that could have also played a role in your problems. I don't remember if softupdates had problems on 5.2.1 or not. >>It's *best* to make more >>partitions (esp for /var) so that if something goes out of control >>logging, or you just neglect your logs, it doesn't go and fill up your >>only (ie / ) partition. Like most *nix OS's, it can be as simple or as >>complicated as you want it to be. >> >> > >I want / + /boot. It's that simple. > > > What are you really trying to accomplish? You want to run softupdates on / ? I believe it is perfectly acceptable to use softupdates on the root partition these days. The Handbook recommends turning on softupdates for all filesystems. See http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/configtuning-disk.html I'm pretty sure my test system at home has only / and swap (because it has a small hard drive), and uses softupdates on /. I'll check when I get home. If you have some other reason for separating /boot from /, explain your actual goal, and perhaps we can help. - Bob