Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:12:24 +0300 From: Mike Makonnen <mtm@FreeBSD.Org> To: Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Kian Mohageri <kian.mohageri@gmail.com>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fancy rc startup (revisited) Message-ID: <20070514101224.GA2117@rogue.navcom.lan> In-Reply-To: <20070512205110.U24765@fledge.watson.org> References: <464464BB.3090100@freebsd.org> <20070511152646.g6n5r7k2tcw00ow4@ webmail.leidinger.net> <464476D3.3090001@freebsd.org> <4645173A.2040008@fre ebsd.org> <fee88ee40705121214ldd26976yd860e9e067d7cb6a@mail.gmail.com> <200 70512205110.U24765@fledge.watson.org>
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On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 08:53:05PM +0100, Robert Watson wrote: > > On Sat, 12 May 2007, Kian Mohageri wrote: > > >On 5/11/07, Eric Anderson <anderson@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > >>Amazing - so far the patch has been downloaded by over 40 different > >>systems, but the *screenshots* have been viewed by over 500. Wow. I > >>never would have guessed. > >> > >>Still no complaints/comments/etc. Good I suppose.. > > > >I don't mean to be the Debbie Downer of the list, but I'm not crazy about > >the addition just because I like simplicity. I know it's off by default > >and all, but it reminds me a whole lot of linux startup (Gentoo, > >specifically, but I dont > > > >remember where this originated) and I'm more fond of FBSD's as it looks > >more > > > >professional. > > > >Obviously that's just my 2cents though and I'm not a developer, so you > >won't see me complain if it does get committed :) Just thought I'd > >comment since you were looking for feedback. > > Call me old-fashioned, but I actually preferred the much more abbreviated > rc output from before rc.d even. :-) We're not going back to hardware > devices where all the probed devices add up to fewer than 25 lines, I'm > sure, but when daemons generated 8-12 characters without a carriage return > each, there was a good chance you could still see the end of the kernel > messages by the time you got to login:, and I miss that. I don't object to > optional more complex output as long as that complexity is hidden away > neatly somewhere in rc.subr, and isn't on by default as shipped. I'd love > it if someone could restore the even shorter output we had before. I think this patch should be implemented in a more generic way so the user can decide what kind of output he/she wants. Maybe something along the lines of a top-level 'rc_outputs' with a list of output types, then each type would have its own knobs to control how it operates. From reading the rest of this thread I think we already have 3 candidates: quiet, normal, fancy. I'd be willing to work with anyone willing to work on this. Cheers. -- Mike Makonnen | GPG-KEY: http://people.freebsd.org/~mtm/mtm.asc mmakonnen @ gmail.com | AC7B 5672 2D11 F4D0 EBF8 5279 5359 2B82 7CD4 1F55 mtm @ FreeBSD.Org | FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org
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