From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 27 12:28:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE88237B422 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:28:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E307BC95; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:28:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09685; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:27:59 -0800 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g1RKU2d08485; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:30:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: Bob Johnson Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/35378: Handbook has inaccurate description of freebsd-security list References: <200202271502.g1RF24723852@freefall.freebsd.org> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 27 Feb 2002 12:30:02 -0800 In-Reply-To: <200202271502.g1RF24723852@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: Lines: 43 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bob Johnson writes: > I believe the proposed phrasing accurately summarizes the > security list charter, which limits it to strictly > technical discussion. The list charter itself is way too ambiguous and can easily be misunderstood by those who need don't already understand. FreeBSD computer security issues (DES, Kerberos, known security holes and fixes, etc). This is a technical mailing list for which strictly technical content is expected. People asking questions or attempting any discussion of firewalls, X authentication, shh, etc, even config problems, are going to rightfully consider it "strictly technical" until they learn to translate the FDP meaning. More words are needed in the charters and in the intro paragraphs. Also -- (This probably should be a PR, but I've too many better ones to write.) In handbook/eresources.html, at least, -security is listed under General lists: The following are general lists which anyone is free (and encouraged) to join: Sounds like it doesn't belong there and should be under Technical lists: The following lists are for technical discussion. You should read the charter for each list carefully before joining or sending mail to one as there are firm guidelines for their use and content. and that needs expansion of the first sentence. If they're intended developers only (I hope not), say that. If they're not to be used to discuss individual configuration problems, say that. I expect it may be hard to generalize, in which case, remove the catgories and just call for improvement of the charters. If any list is too lazy to help improve their charter, they will have only themselves to blame for high noise level. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message