From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 9 05:49:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA03E106566C for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 05:49:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy4-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy4-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BA9BE8FC0C for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2011 05:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 12330 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 2011 05:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2011 05:49:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=fG3jHblvYied6moFd4vfMsTtEqYwz7f4hwfeHWIy5TktsaWFCtn6BgvT5gdmK4sB/fx3xsSPW67ZTQy+iY+cJpwTLEhrZ7YbOsiorgb7m6KlF3u4/Cg3Lm28xr/QfRl1; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QUY7N-0002Kn-23 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2011 23:49:22 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 08 Jun 2011 23:34:30 -0600 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 23:34:30 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110609053430.GA30732@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110609005656.GA9183@thought.org> <20110609035313.GA30448@guilt.hydra> <4DF049AC.3050403@radel.com> <20110609052113.GA4291@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110609052113.GA4291@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 05:49:23 -0000 --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 10:21:13PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 12:18:52AM -0400, Jon Radel wrote: > > On 6/8/11 11:53 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > > >I think I've just had ports die one by one on a switch until it no lon= ger > > >worked. I don't think I've ever had the whole thing go poof for no > > >evident reason. > >=20 > > Ditto. Most recently a Cisco switch had a rather useful port go > > into a really weird state that didn't really look broken but bits > > just...weren't....flowing. Took a while, and a lot of poking at the > > server in question, before we looked at each other and said, "Wait, > > we've been assuming the switch works, what if it isn't." >=20 > Hm. WEll, I suppose stranger things have happened. If Chad has > had his switch drop connections one-by-one---well, news to me! > I figured, hey, solid- state will work forever and 20 years, > whichever comes first. ... I've had it happen with no fewer than three switches. I've also seen an "enterprise" class Netgear switch issue a "death scream" of some sort over the network at the moment the fiber optic cable was removed from it, crashing the BigIron switch that ran the data center. =2E . . but Cisco switches are overpriced crap. We were disconnecting the Netgear to replace it with a Cisco that offered a lot more functionality, and administration turned out to be a fucking nightmare with that thing. It's like replacing Postfix with MS Exchange because you want integrated calendaring and all the other crap in the BusinessWeek full-page ad, then finding out that you basically need a full-time employee just to manage that one server. > >=20 > > BTW, Gary, Linksys=3DCisco is pretty much just a marketing thing and > > not a technology thing. >=20 > Sure. But I've had luck++ with LinkSys for years, even before > Cisco bought them out. --My new switch is an LG. See what > happens. ... . In my (limited) experience, Linksys actually got more annoying after Cisco bought out the company. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk3wW2YACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUBdQCggxTpLmvCZfNmJlmX2w3oVKUA LicAoMmIIfuQwUFzFDBNOjIRZT5Esv1c =c7bI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr--