From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 12:29:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A4816A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:29:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from kientzle.com (h-66-166-149-50.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.166.149.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D329743D55 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:28:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kientzle@acm.org) Received: from acm.org ([66.166.149.54]) by kientzle.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBTKSvkX006877; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:28:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kientzle@acm.org) Message-ID: <3FF08E87.2040003@acm.org> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:28:55 -0800 From: Tim Kientzle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031006 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tillman Hodgson References: <3FE93499.7060307@freebsd.org> <000a01c3c9f3$004c9280$b901320a@komi.mts.ru> <3FF07379.70101@acm.org> <20031229185327.GB22084@seekingfire.com> In-Reply-To: <20031229185327.GB22084@seekingfire.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: backing up ACLs X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kientzle@acm.org List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:29:00 -0000 Tillman Hodgson wrote: > On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 10:33:29AM -0800, Tim Kientzle wrote: > >>It's a tar implementation that handles ACLs, >>file flags, sparse files, etc, etc, and might >>be a workable substitute for dump/restore. > > With respect, tar variants are not a direct replacement for dump > variants. I suspect that when you said "workable substitute" it should > be read as "substitute requiring a fair amount of work" ;-) I should have said "might allow you to backup systems using ACLs *today* while you wait for dump/restore to be updated." Clearly, dump/restore do need to be updated, and I did not intend to claim that any tar implementation was a direct substitute for any dump implementation. That said, however, if you're used to crufty old BSD tar or crufty new GNU tar, you might be surprised at what a good modern tar implementation can do. Tim