From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 23 04:13:03 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F35106566B for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 04:13:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rjhjr0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F4678FC20 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 04:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj23 with SMTP id 23so2264490gwj.13 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:13:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=0ews65Jag3qQORrjh9rKq9uN3xKn2GdCLgmfgcmBudk=; b=mfuvIAoFoEb3IAVwKLvmz8ODAO7U12hKJA7iklroveVUZXQbqSdIO9CjawoQYeY1/J UxZNfxJAeWXJRUe9AFDsxBrgeRavy1wgl8h2QGpe9abyW9ypgBtQr11AT27+mnM2yEdK uv1gK43lafo3s6bC+CLsMz/tncUUjEanvrRsI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=VXkxoMg+3drl13kLpKfuIxNpOfL/myUbAEbVRLc8fqEwF8CRLOPOG1YJUerZpB+l24 alcUowC9q7kfmWIXGLKknjy0xwEO2t6TFk+3MuaWAB9kirJFU3mU5c4ai2lwHQoIRmZe hVAvOXmp2TmysV+5AfQJ7iPmGwchejfDvDmo4= Received: by 10.151.122.15 with SMTP id z15mr4449437ybm.249.1282536782453; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ip98-163-115-74.dc.dc.cox.net [98.163.115.74]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u42sm6807977yba.0.2010.08.22.21.13.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:12:59 -0400 From: Bob Hall To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20100823041259.GA37467@stainmore> Mail-Followup-To: Bob Hall , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <008c01cb425a$2603bc60$720b3520$@com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <008c01cb425a$2603bc60$720b3520$@com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Subject: Re: Is this bunk. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 04:13:03 -0000 On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 01:25:34AM +0100, Garry wrote: > Mac OS X is basically BSD that's been appleised (serious vendor lock-in), > they do give a little back to BSDs, but have made sure that BSDs can't get > much off of them, but they can get a lot out of BSD. If the kernel is the basis of an OS, then OS X is basically the Mach kernel. The userland part of early versions of OS X borrowed heavily from NetBSD, but much of this has been replaced with FreeBSD in later version. Or so I'm told. As someone else has pointed out, Apple has made some important contributions to NFS, so they are not exactly free riders. > Also, Windows uses (or used to use) a BSD stack for networking for > instance. NT had a notoriously unstable network stack. It suddenly became more stable with Win2k, which turned out to be due to the replacement of much of the code with code taken from FreeBSD, which has a famously stable network stack. People who claim to have seen the MS code say that large parts of it are unchanged from the original FBSD code, and include the original comments. As far as I know, that code is still being used. > This does not mean to say that I have a problem with the quality of the code > in BSD, I just feel that the license is counter productive. And the wonderful thing about the proliferation of open source licenses is that you can pick a project with a license that you approve of and never have to have your code encumbered by a license you feel is inferior. The people who use FBSD and the wonderful people who produce it obviously feel that the FBSD license is the sort of license that they want to support. You are free to pity our delusions and choose a project with a more enlightened approach. Best of luck!