From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 19 07:05:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A72C16A417 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E4B13C469 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDESK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lAJ755ra094532 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:05:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:05:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <200711112340.13107.beech@freebsd.org> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: One Laptop Per Child X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:05:32 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Beech Rintoul > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:40 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Cc: Olivier Nicole; rmarella@gmail.com > Subject: Re: One Laptop Per Child > > > On Sunday 11 November 2007, Olivier Nicole said: > > > I am usually not the one to bring up these things but I feel very > > > strongly about this. Starting Monday, November 12 this website is > > > offering a give one get one deal. I believe the money will be > > > well invested. YMMV > > > > > > http://xogiving.org/ > > > > That is a difficult issue, while this is an opportunity, I doubt > > this is the most needed thing to provide education. We are talking > > giving laptop to people who do not even have electricity in some > > cases... > > > > Olivier > > >From what I've been reading they are addressing this issue. One way > was providing solar power recharging stations. The other was hooking > up carousel type playground equipment to a small generator to > recharge the laptops. The third was good old WWII vintage hand crank > power. I also read that these laptops are optimized for low power > usage. I live in Alaska and they have been using the internet for > education in rural villiages for many years with much success. I > personally think this is a great idea. Too bad they won't all be > running FreeBSD :-) > Well, I know it's been a week since this came up but I'll toss in my $0.02 here. I've been against this project since I heard about it. Fortunately, it appears to be failing. IMHO what these kids need are connections to the Internet and the knowledge store on the Internet, not a laptop. Their real needs would best be served with the equivalent of a winterm running a web browser, and the associated infrastructure to connect that to the Internet. What a laptop that isn't networked to the Internet is going to do to help them I cannot guess. I suspect most that are not connected to an Internet connection will end up being used for games, that's about all they will be good for. The idea that they would be used for word processing or spreadsheets is rediculous. You need a printer and paper and ink for that, ie: a lot of consumables, which these kids parents cannot afford. The idea of this project seems to have been to just dump a lot of laptops into these kids hands and trust that the network fairies will magically fly out and connect all of them to something they can use. The other problem of course is that laptops are more fragile than a desktop that is fixed, and very subject to theft, much more than a desktop. No thought seems to have gone into funding the ongoing support structure necessary to keep a deployment of such magnitude as they want in running order - in all the articles I've read on these things, no mention of warranty has ever been made. I suppose they figure once the kid gets the laptop and the government program that gives him the laptop ends, that the kid will be able to come up with the $10-$20 monthly equivalent to keep the internet connection to the thing going? Assuming they even have a phone at all? It would have been better to try creating a project that would produce a turnkey Internet network deployment that would be able to be dropped into any school anywhere, even if such a school consisted of a hut in the middle of a desert with a hole out back as the bathroom, no electricity, no running water, no telephone lines within 100 miles. But of course, such a deployment would require labor and nobody wants to pay salaries of people who go into these places and try to hook up things, it's too boring. It's much more interesting and sexy to buy plastic boxes that work real cool in a 2000's American bedroom and ship them out to the boondocks in Africa. Makes people really feel as though they are helping. Ted