From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 25 5:36:52 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 588C437B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 05:36:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from prometheus.home.laserfence.net (apollo.laserfence.net [196.44.69.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CCD543E4A for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 05:36:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@phoenix.home.laserfence.net) Received: from phoenix.home.laserfence.net ([192.168.0.2]) by prometheus.home.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18cQTr-0006vB-00; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 15:36:19 +0200 Received: from will by phoenix.home.laserfence.net with local (Exim 4.10) id 18cQTp-0002ka-00; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 15:36:17 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Willie Viljoen Organization: Highveld Computing Solutions To: "Stacy Olivas" Subject: Re: trouble brewing over the UNIX thing again... (was on freebsd-questions, moved to freebsd-chat) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 15:36:16 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <00ee01c2c3d5$1e1a84e0$0502000a@sentinel> In-Reply-To: <00ee01c2c3d5$1e1a84e0$0502000a@sentinel> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200301251536.16931.will@highveldcs.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Stacy, It's sad, two cents just won't quite cut it, even if we get alot of peopl= e to=20 donate, taking over a company with share capital will put us back alot of= =20 hard earned cash... That doesn't mean we can't speculate and think up the many wonderful form= s of=20 revenge we could get on these arogant bastards :) Will On Friday 24 January 2003 20:19, Stacy Olivas wrote: > > > Here's a thought what about the intellectual property that > > > > the've enjoy > > > > > at the expense of all of the BSD's? What would happen if > > > > the BSD world > > > > > recinded the rights to TCP/IP and demanded compensation for it's us= e > > > from say everyone? > > > > Mike, the rights to IP itself are with DARPA, so we couldn't > > recind it, but, > > UCB designed the origional UNIX IP stack (which could be > > installed as a > > supliment to AT&T UNIX as part of the patch set then known as > > BSD). If we > > recinded that, even MS would have to pay up for including the > > code in Windows > > 2000. > > Microsoft pay for infringing on someone else's IP rights? Wouldn't the= y > just try to use standard FUD and SS tactics along with a long and drawn= out > case that will make everyone throw in the towel? Or, would they re-des= ign > their OS with a TCP/IP stack that implemented new features, was prone t= o > attacks > and, if you wanted to view any information on the API, you would have t= o > answer > yes to a license during the installation of a PDF that was packaged in = =2EEXE > form that > forbid you of talking about what you saw in the specification to others= who > didn't agree > to the license too??? (sorry, an attempt at humor) > > > Still, from the new SCO's point of view, that's probably a > > bad business plan, > > ie, making money the honest way. Why eat into McBride's > > salary to spend lots > > of money, and lots of time, researching new technology, when > > they can just > > spend their shareholders' money quickly and sue everyone into > > paying them > > "royaltees" for what might be their intilectual property, but > > most certainly > > is not their work. From a BMW-driver's perspective, it's a > > brilliant business > > model, apart from a legal team, you need no employees at all. > > > > That works just wonderfully for management. They don't like engineers > > remember, most engineers are smarter than most management, > > management don't > > like employees that don't think their manager is an all > > knowing all seeing > > entity of universal power which has the final authority on > > everything. If > > managers had their way, they'd be regulating when we are > > allowed to relieve > > ourselves. Just think about seeing this on your office wall: > > "Employees will > > not use company sanitation facilities more than once a day. > > Failure to comply > > will result in manegarial centure of the employee, and > > complete revocation of > > sanitation facility privilages." > > Isn't this called Scientific Management? (Or Fordism).. Where every lit= tle > detail of employees > lives are controlled to the point that they don't have to think for > themselves? > > Hmmm, kinda sounds like a certain OS/Application developer that we all = know > and love, don't it? > > (Substitute employee for user in the first sentence) > > Oh well, just a thought.. > > > > Now, as all management think we should be doing, I'll add a standard > > disclaimer to my e-mail. Almost all of this is just my own > > personal rantings. > > If you take this letter seriously, your are stupid. The > > content of this > > message is not neciserally the view of all engineers, most of > > us just love > > management, really. This message is posted in the hope of promoting > > histerical laughter with all readers, if you did not find it > > funny, or feel > > offended by anything I have posted, I would like to express > > my sincerest > > apologies that the terrible genetic imbalance responsible for > > your inability > > to process humor has so profoundly affected you and would > > like to advise you > > that medication is available for this condition. > > Too late, management is drafting a policy as we speak to censure you...= =2E :) > > > There we go, I've gotten everybody's two cents worth, that'll > > do for the day. > > If you would like more nonsensical ranting and random abuse > > hurled at large > > corporations, please contact will@highveldcs.com, I am always > > available for > > unfriendly comments. > > > > Will > > Hmm, if we take the two cents that you throw in, add my dime, we can us= e it > as a starting point > for the collection to overthrow the "new" SCO... And if we keep all > donations to monetary > denominations like pennies and nickles and dimes, we could literally bu= ry > them during the takeover... > > Hmmmm........ :) > > > -- > > Willie Viljoen > > IT Solutions Consultant > > > > Highveld Computing Solutions > > 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas > > Bloemfontein > > 9321 > > South Africa > > > > +27 51 522 15 60 > > +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) > > +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) > > > > will@highveldcs.com > > > > Be ahead of the pack, visit http://www.highveldcs.com/ and > > find out how our > > next generation IT solutions will propel your business into > > the 21st century. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message --=20 Willie Viljoen IT Solutions Consultant Highveld Computing Solutions 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas Bloemfontein 9321 South Africa +27 51 522 15 60 +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) will@highveldcs.com Be ahead of the pack, visit http://www.highveldcs.com/ and find out how o= ur=20 next generation IT solutions will propel your business into the 21st cent= ury. 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