From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 4 8:55:31 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4314D37B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 08:55:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8350A43F93 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 08:55:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14044; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:55:23 -0700 (MST) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook renders your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030204095218.02748660@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 09:55:19 -0700 To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: dillon@'s commit bit: I object In-Reply-To: <20030204151435.46567.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030203225811.0360eb10@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:14 AM 2/4/2003, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: >To all honesty you cannot blame this core team from >things that happened with another very different core >team. Perhaps the system of governance is flawed. We have certainly seen recently that it is easy for such systems to go wrong -- witness Enron, Worldcom, the United States, etc. >I think you've not seen enough, I've participated in quite a few organizations in my time, and have an acute sense of when things are going wrong. Many of the signs are there. >and you are not really a developer. I certainly am -- though not, except for the occasional contribution, of FreeBSD. One of the reasons I do not hack on FreeBSD more is due to the nastiness of the politics. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message