From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jul 12 1:23:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE8F14ECC for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 01:23:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id SAA23954; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:23:14 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990712182309.08163@welearn.com.au> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:23:10 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: lnb@cybertouch.org Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Certification...again References: <199907120742.DAA87738@freedom.cybertouch.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199907120742.DAA87738@freedom.cybertouch.org>; from Lanny Baron on Mon, Jul 12, 1999 at 03:42:58AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jul 12, 1999 at 03:42:58AM -0400, Lanny Baron wrote: > Hello Fellow FreeBSD'ers, > I would just like to say that it irks me to death that I must spend > $16,500.00 (canadian) to take a 23 week long immersion course to > be "prepared" for MCSE, Oracle and A+ certification. Although the > school (private) I am going to will touch on solaris for a whole week, > many people I have talked to on IRC tell me I am wasting my time. Depending on what you want to do and what you've already done, they could very well be right. No piece of paper from anywhere is enough without lots of demonstrable recent experience, unless it's very different at your end of the world. > I truly hope that the people in the decision making group will really > take this seriously and come up with a starting list of what would > be needed for any specific level of FreeBSD certification. Sure, that's my field. I can start the shopping list off for you. First you need to develop the course and assessment procedures. To do that you need a budget with enough hundreds of $K in it to employ a team of training researchers, course design experts, subject experts, someone to manage and someone to support the team, an office to run from and their overheads and expenses. When it's all worked out, then you start working on the course materials, another long slow process involving highly paid people. Then you publicise it and try to convince people to pay however many dollars they need to pay to recoup the above costs in a reasonable time. Then try to convince employers that the paper means something. (In Australia, and possibly other countries, unless it was competency based, official recognition as a vocational qualification wouldn't be considered) I'm not saying that any particular course is worth the money, but they do cost a lot to put together and deliver, and that's after the relevant competencies have been determined precisely and the assessment framework has been put together. Any idea who would pay for this to be created? And how they'd expect to get their money back? Or would it be cobbled together by untrained volunteers in their spare time and treated by the industry as such? Is there a middle way? -- Regards, -*Sue*- (with tongue only half in cheek) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message