From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 15 0:24:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334BC37B406 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:24:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f5F7O9608380 ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:24:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id JAA58750 ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:25:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:25:03 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Brett Glass Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More FUD from Perens Message-ID: <20010615092503.A57622@lpt.ens.fr> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010614233201.04566d20@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010614233201.04566d20@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 11:35:40PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass said on Jun 14, 2001 at 23:35:40: > Perens continues his misleading rhetoric, with the complicity of ZDNet, at > > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2775027,00.html His point of view is common enough. You have yourself said that you don't think the BSD license is appropriate for desktop applications. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=40740+0+/usr/local/www/db/text/2001/freebsd-chat/20010603.freebsd-chat You gave it as a reason for not starting your own BSD-licensed project. So you can't disagree with him on that. You also thought the GPL is less suitable and will not produce a quality desktop, but plenty of people (me included) think it already has produced a quality desktop. So I understand you disagree with Perens, but that doesn't make what he says "misleading rhetoric". > Also note that, in one of the Talkback responses, he continues his > disinformation campaign when he touts the GPL as promoting standards when > in fact it sabotages them. Examples of the GPL sabotaging standards? gcc was one of the first ANSI-compliant C compilers around (before Sun's own bundled compiler, so that many ended up using gcc on Sun machines at that time). g++ today is closer to standards compliance than almost any other C++ compiler. All other GNU software seem to follow relevant standards as close as they can (including the GNU C library which follows the ISO C 99 and various other standards). If you find a piece of GNU software which doesn't follow some particular standard, have you thought of just writing in and telling the maintainers? Or are you complaining about the extensions to gcc, etc? I have news for you: every compiler I've ever seen has extensions. Look what Borland did to Pascal, for instance (it was an improvement, imo, but it was not standard). gcc at least has a -pedantic flag which you can use if you want to be correct. R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message