From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 9 16:30:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 061C6CCC; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 16:30:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0818FC12; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 16:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.31]) by ltcfislmsgpa04.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q99GU7rJ026370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:30:25 -0500 Received: from [10.0.0.103] (10.14.152.61) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:30:19 -0500 Subject: Re: New Boot Loader Menu MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" From: Devin Teske In-Reply-To: <564537F0-8BB5-4036-8A81-0A3D0B179489@bsdimp.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:30:12 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <4EA5C2FF-ABFA-4BA6-95CA-8E722F91999E@fisglobal.com> References: <0655B56F-AD43-402B-872C-568378E650F9@fisglobal.com> <5071D6B5.1010609@FreeBSD.org> <50726C73.10506@FreeBSD.org> <50732CB1.9080900@gmx.de> <71571815-CBF3-4B16-BA77-2828B8BA613C@fisglobal.com> <564537F0-8BB5-4036-8A81-0A3D0B179489@bsdimp.com> To: Warner Losh X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.61] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855, 1.0.431, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-10-09_05:2012-10-09,2012-10-09,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: olli hauer , Devin Teske , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Devin Teske List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 16:30:28 -0000 On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Warner Losh wrote: >=20 > On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Devin Teske wrote: >=20 >> =85Re-adding the list=85 >>=20 >> On Oct 8, 2012, at 12:42 PM, olli hauer wrote: >>=20 >>> ... >>>=20 >>>> You'll also get zero argument out of me that putting "Delete" on-scree= n is not only to-be-avoided for the opposing situation (that some keyboards= may not have a "Delete" but instead "Backspace") but indeed "Delete" is wo= rse because the implied connotation associated with the "Delete" key (_some= one_ might be confused into thinking "Delete" will purge the menu from memo= ry). >>>>=20 >>>> I will play with keycodes. >>>>=20 >>>> Just be aware that currently left arrow CANNOT work. That is a bad sug= gestion (read why below). >>>>=20 >>>> In Forth, I'm using the "key" primitive which -- rather unfortunately = -- produces a zero for "left-arrow", "right-arrow", "up-arrow", "down-arrow= ", "F1", "F2", "F3", "F4", "F5", "F6", "F7", "F8", "F9", and "F10" (note: i= t doesn't catch "F11", "F12", "F13", "F14", "F15", or "F16"). >>>>=20 >>>> So all those key options are right-out when it comes to "using them in= stead of Backspace" (I simply can't identify in the loader when those keys = are pressed). >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> ... >>>=20 >>> will the space key work for a general back to or up one entry? >>> I suspect the space bar has the same keycode on all platforms (intel/ap= pel/ppc/sparc ...) >>>=20 >>> Anyway nice work :) >>>=20 >>=20 >> By golly, I think olli is on to something here! >>=20 >> What does everybody think about space? >>=20 >> I like it because it's a NICE BIG TARGET (and it's not used by anything = else). >=20 > space usually doesn't mean backup to most users. It usually means go for= ward or select, so this is a poor match to what other systems do and theref= ore to what one might expect joe-random-person to expect. >=20 Ok, space is out. *thinks* Ok, "b for back" is out because "b" on the main menu is boot (even if not h= ighlighted -- see menu.rc keycode[1] and corresponding ascii(7), decimal 'b= ' is 98). Ok, space, any F# keys, any arrow keys, and backspace are also out. Hmmm=85 I'm looking at my keyboard and nothing really sticks out. 'M' perhaps for "Back to [M]ain Menu" --=20 Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message an= d all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any ma= nner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware= that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and revie= w by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you.