From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jul 27 8:27:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066FC151B6 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:25:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11996Z-0005AC-00; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:25:23 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: obrien@NUXI.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newsyslog owner.group -> owner:group In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:10:47 MST." <19990727081046.B46030@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:25:23 +0200 Message-ID: <19851.933089123@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Brian, Okay, your mail quoted below came around the same time I sent my diffs. This entire response assumes that you don't like the diffs. On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:10:47 MST, "David O'Brien" wrote: > It was a one character fix in -CURRENT and I don't see any reason to ugly > the code with supporting both syntaxes in -CURRENT. All I can offer in response is "because it's not _that_ ugly and there's no reason to leave concrete blocks on the upgrade path, even if you are supposed to walk it in steel-capped boots". :-) > The change will be documented in 4.0-R's release notes. If people > don't read that, then they will be in trouble in many other ways. > > Anyway, it has been only ":" in -CURRENT for a while now, and I > haven't received any death threats, so people must not be tripping > over this on a daily basis. :-) Judging by the number of PRs I've dealt with concerning the built-in tcp_wrappers included in 3.2, I have to say that this argument gives me the willies. There were _no_ complaints about inetd and built-in wrappers -- until it hits STABLE. :-) Jordan once told me that we do as much as (but no more than) we can to make the upgrade path as smooth as possible. I don't think that the extra line of code is more than we can do. :-) I'm acting out of self-preservation here. If a line of code can save me 5 PR's on 4.0-RELEASE, I'll take the line. *snort* > The problem with printing out warnings is ``newsyslog'' is usually run > from cron(8), and anything printed out will often not be seen as I am of > the opinion many do not read root's mail. Oh, I wasn't suggesting that you should do anything about the warnings. I was trying to point out that the wallies who don't read the release notes are _definitely_ going to come crying to us. :-) Later, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message