From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Fri Jan 10 17:44:56 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBB31EDB78 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 17:44:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qv1-xf2a.google.com (mail-qv1-xf2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47vVjz430Qz3Mv8 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 17:44:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qv1-xf2a.google.com with SMTP id t6so1104335qvs.5 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 09:44:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=dLCfMLSyMDBGvoTlcNK3xSF6QEz4JbUYO6jqtDVThGY=; b=A0YlvOzF2mnfzb6yagsFokoqdWzsdlUI/JpoNALqRLDZd44CJaw9ufYGuMp/fP4lqR r4IuDYmrAzuMa4ZylNZyiJKINK4yF1eB9Tu4CLj4jx1Xm+FTlsiUCcy8GOnhfoNxu9pZ KJ96DmYeFhxUHllaEABwkhLxKHTHQojTenN2wtlDNFXqFE3VvWjoGO8uMJDxQ5c/hG5+ vMQcLIGEmGeb+ffxS+nGV9wyeAHa3WPwoJV16xerKGF20gJk1tBKJpE5bYEJQP3pACHp Vy9RWc/IAb3ejy6HqpMDYUay+RoDYdyZ2bXfbRnijE6zWiJv7wuRHsONENaRLiq/if8t h5ZQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=dLCfMLSyMDBGvoTlcNK3xSF6QEz4JbUYO6jqtDVThGY=; b=LtxOJQmDDdVN5dSXnLpw31/bLEN4Pxnj9ICYSZtsceCMp09vB2SC5/uYYVJyfqzWXb GqsE1iwRlOsRuTLyXGIjmNhReJcxdB3//uTybMePlOkEUlnpn8LPlBKGwVqh0DWeT7cR Cpx3jq4xc000jLXwNvy3cKyosyrEGULpCq37DGCCzdGdmNRaDm4cP1wYjVHQIPUp6B05 oAQL1NVdpChzR4PIGbIL5aoEb86RnWcVBM632MvsSTSz9FJ+aCF4m7dGUSlljSK/91uD Yi0xXroeFCr/pUwzDWhw0yAbOPJA1H/mrztLTj02efODy7SyFo6GeykPi6za6qjPM2vS R+2w== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWeGVxhUIcmasvNXMvGQuzmw7N+90CkHe/7buxtKnuPaNTykxgo zc8cBgw+CaEa4w1LwsMP/WU/7euUvc3R74y2XY5riw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw8vKpa7ZEhUwjvLKsvAfVjO/2VS2OhiqclIjY/S/Czx87NmsDbYG64wHJ80ogSmpUTmcK4Z1cz2ska5mJcoIY= X-Received: by 2002:ad4:4810:: with SMTP id g16mr3719810qvy.22.1578678289426; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 09:44:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <46480be7-b1a1-4da8-97ea-c4b97b0b997c@www.fastmail.com> <20200110172541.GA6529@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: <20200110172541.GA6529@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> From: Warner Losh Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:44:38 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: open-vm-tools in base To: Steve Kargl Cc: Josh Paetzel , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47vVjz430Qz3Mv8 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=A0YlvOzF; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wlosh@bsdimp.com has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2a) smtp.mailfrom=wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; IP_SCORE(-1.99)[ip: (-5.94), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.11), asn: 15169(-1.84), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 17:44:56 -0000 On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 10:26 AM Steve Kargl < sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 09:55:23AM -0600, Josh Paetzel wrote: > > > > There is some precedent for this. Driver(s?) that were once a > > part of the tools have been moved to base already. The VMXNET3 > > driver is an example of this. > > > > There is also precedent for removing a working driver from > base and putting it into ports. See drm2. > Not the best example to cite as there's been a lot of bumps with that and the future distribution model is unclear to me. Warner