From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 16:36:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59FE21067732 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: from mail.utahbroadband.com (mail.utahbroadband.com [204.14.20.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219998FC21 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:36:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: (qmail 15803 invoked by uid 89); 3 Sep 2008 16:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.16?) (danallen46@airwired.net@66.29.174.6) by 0 with ESMTPA; 3 Sep 2008 16:02:53 -0000 Message-Id: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> From: Dan Allen To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:36:11 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Subject: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:36:14 -0000 BACKGROUND: A few years ago one could get a FreeBSD CD and install X and get a decent basic system from one CD. One can still do this with Ubuntu today as well. Why can't we have a small window manager like icewm along with Firefox 3.0+ be among the packages on the first FreeBSD CD so a basic working system with a web browser can be a default install? Is it that X.org is now too big? I have been a FreeBSD user/builder for more than a decade because of / usr/src/make - complete sources and a beautiful build system, but I must admit that Ubuntu has done a great job of modern hardware detection and providing a nice useable system out of the box. I wish we could join both worlds in a future BSD release. (I crashed Ubuntu 8.04 in the first day so I still prefer BSD to Linux.) Also, and I am sure I am not the only one with one of these, my new $500 Dell Inspiron 1525 is not supported well by BSD RELENG_7: the Intel 4965 wireless and the Marvell 88E80xx Ethernet are both NOT supported so I have a great new laptop which cannot connect to the outside world with BSD. :-( Ubuntu supports these and lots more. SUMMARY: I would like to see FreeBSD 7.1 add to its disc1: 1) X.org 2) icewm 3) firefox-3.0 4) support for Intel 4965 wireless drivers 5) support for Marvell 88E8040 ethernet driver Dan Allen