From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 3 03:10:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9014A16A400 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 03:10:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from mail.stovebolt.com (mail.stovebolt.com [66.221.101.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C89F13C448 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 03:10:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (adsl-68-88-131-35.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net [68.88.131.35]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.stovebolt.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3856311432B for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:12:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 22:10:08 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <933DCFF2293A4ED344379171@paul-schmehls-powerbook59.local> In-Reply-To: <20070603043301.28d9bef2@localhost> References: <4661FAC9.9010806@transpacific.net> <20070602201740.202e768a.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <46621503.5030303@freebsd.org> <20070603043301.28d9bef2@localhost> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary="==========F1130D425763CA9E2D97==========" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: BSD derivatives X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 03:10:10 -0000 --==========F1130D425763CA9E2D97========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline --On June 3, 2007 4:33:01 AM +0200 Jona Joachim wrote: > On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:10:27 -0700 > Colin Percival wrote: > >> Bill Moran wrote: >> > OpenBSD puts security higher on its list of project goals and >> > motivating factors than any other OS I know. >> >> I disagree. I'd say that OpenBSD and FreeBSD put security in exactly >> the same place -- at the top of the list. > > Sorry but I have to disagree here. > FreeBSD ships with closed source software including following drivers: > ath, nve, oltr, rr232x, hptmv. > Closed source software implies potential insecurity. If security is at > the top of the list then I see a clear contradiction here. > Sorry, but that's an incredibly naive statement. *All* software implies=20 potential insecurity. It's the nature of software. If it were untrue, there would be no security patches for open source=20 software. Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ --==========F1130D425763CA9E2D97==========--