From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 28 23:26:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA6F6D74 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D75D1A6F for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pd2mr1so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.110]) by pd2mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 28 Dec 2014 16:26:07 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.1 cv=s+0R4JzlRBUW8GXF//6L4/AwYJegyFoFyppZH3AfVto= c=1 sm=1 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=cDlco7zYYVJyEfAfv3IA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO cds005.dcs.int.inet) ([10.0.141.22]) by pd2mr1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 28 Dec 2014 16:26:07 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: FreeBSD with Win7 and UEFI References: <20141226072950.GB13694@kontrol.kode5.net> <2641.69.209.227.251.1419803774.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> From: Dale Scott MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2641.69.209.227.251.1419803774.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 16:26:07 -0700 (MST) To: "galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu" X-Mailer: Zimbra 7.1.4_GA_2567 (MobileSync - Apple-iPad2C5/1202.440) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:26:14 -0000 > On Dec 28, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Valeri Galtsev w= rote: >=20 >=20 >> On Sun, December 28, 2014 1:40 pm, Warren Block wrote: >>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2014, Christian Baer wrote: >>>=20 >>> This is a little redundant, but I really want to make this clear... >>>=20 >>> My motherboard is a Supermicro X10SAT. When the system starts, I can >>> press >>> F12 which lets me choose the boot device (basicly like in the BIOS >>> setup, but >>> an a temporary basis). This is a *motherboard* function, this is not a >>> boot >>> manager from any OS. The motherboard recognises both Windows (list item= : >>> "Windows boot manager") and FreeBSD (list item: "EFI OS"). >>>=20 >>> I have seen no other boot manager after the installation nor did I see >>> any >>> chance to choose/configure/check one during the installation of FreeBSD= . >>> The >>> handbook in rather silent about this subject too, which is quite a >>> surprise >>> to me. When I started out with Linux, everything was about being able t= o >>> coexist with Windows on a single machine. I switched to FreeBSD a littl= e >>> later. My first FreeBSD CDs were of v3.3 (that was 1999 and I am feelin= g >>> very >>> old right about now). The FreeBSD boot manager of back then wasn't as >>> pretty >>> as the one supplied with SuSE at the time but it did the same thing. >>>=20 >>> Is this an EFI thing or have the priorities shifted? >>=20 >> UEFI is a whole new game, utterly different from what came before. And >> FreeBSD's UEFI support is new. As far as I know, it has no provision >> for multibooting in UEFI. Code to do that would be welcome, it's been >> difficult just to get the current UEFI support. >>=20 >> Your boot menu suggests that Windows 7 is installed for standard BIOS >> booting. The easiest way to deal with this is to reinstall FreeBSD for >> standard BIOS booting also, with an MBR format. Then you can install >> the boot0 multiboot program, but it really doesn't offer anything that >> the BIOS boot menu does not already have. >>=20 >> Please also consider running FreeBSD as a VM with one of the many >> virtualization options. That has many advantages over multiboot setups. >=20 > There is a big difference: in last case you have the machine running > Windows 7. Just out of curiosity: do _you_ have the same level of trust t= o > Windows 7/8 system as you do to FreeBSD? If yes, why at all would you go > into trouble running FreeBSD? Just curious (no offense to anyone/anything > intended ;-) >=20 > Valeri For me, it's about how FreeBSD enables building and experimenting with syst= ems of applications in ways that wouldn't be possible on Windows (arguably = from a pragmatic perspective, not necessarily technically). Dale