From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 13 22:20:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACEC1065670 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 22:20:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias.andree@gmx.de) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8ECFD8FC13 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 22:20:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Sep 2011 22:20:14 -0000 Received: from g230103014.adsl.alicedsl.de (EHLO mandree.no-ip.org) [92.230.103.14] by mail.gmx.net (mp003) with SMTP; 14 Sep 2011 00:20:14 +0200 X-Authenticated: #428038 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+3f9AFFUi3Rwu4ouzrMKFeo12ePX0SJnM9D1Tuy+ 59m0Fb4SALWhOE Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.emma.line.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B170C23CE2B for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 00:20:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E6FD71D.9010207@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 00:20:13 +0200 From: Matthias Andree User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.21) Gecko/20110831 Mnenhy/0.8.3 Thunderbird/3.1.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <1315864556.1747.103.camel@xenon> <20110912190558.641a3219@seibercom.net> <20110912230943.GD33455@guilt.hydra> <4E6E99BC.4050909@missouri.edu> <1315905051.1747.208.camel@xenon> <4E6F8A50.9060205@gmx.de> <1315942042.1747.258.camel@xenon> In-Reply-To: <1315942042.1747.258.camel@xenon> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: Thank you (for making the ports less boring). X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 22:20:17 -0000 Am 13.09.2011 21:27, schrieb Michal Varga: > Though if I had to pick a random case again, it probably wouldn't be too > hard to make some wildly unsubstantiated guesses: > > ## From: Matthias Andree > ## Mailer: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.21) "Wildly unsubstantiated" pretty much nails it. The thing you can see from a second look into ports/ is that FreeBSD's ports Thunderbird is up to date, unlike my Thunderbird 3.1 on Linux. Now what? Nothing proven. :) > Still I thank everyone for polite replies which were actually a welcome > change for this kind of threads, but as there is obviously something > fundamentally different between how I and rest of you guys perceive an > actually working FreeBSD (or any other, for the matter) workstation, I'm > going to let it go, this is not the kind fight one would be able to win > in any case. And our working desktops don't help you in the least in getting one too. I have gotten myself into situations where I mutilated my installation, to the point where X or some Desktop wouldn't start, and random applications crashed -- and the cause was usually taking short cuts or not noticing ports/UPDATING; more importantly, there are tools that can help avoid and/or fix that situation. For one, I'd start with ports-mgmt/portmaster to run portmaster --check-depends, and after that install */bsdadminscripts and run pkg_libchk and see what it comes up with in packages that want to be rebuilt in order to pull in up-to-date libraries. > For the next years, I'll be much better off with finishing my migration > to another system where the base OS will hardly ever be as good and > clean as FreeBSD, but the overall quality of 24/7 ready, stable, modern > desktop OS as a whole is by far too wide margin different from what I > gather is currently considered 'acceptable' here, in FreeBSD (ports) > circles. No offense meant, in any case. I think you mentioned Arch Linux, further suggestions would be Gentoo Linux (you might like emerge), and further options are Debian GNU/kFreeBSD and using a FreeBSD base system with pkgsrc (rather than ports) on top. Good luck in finding the system that really has fewer, rather than only different, quirks. :)