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Date:      Fri, 27 Jan 2017 12:37:19 -0500
From:      Shawn Webb <shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org>
To:        Allan Jude <allanjude@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>, Toomas Soome <tsoome@me.com>, "Ngie Cooper (yaneurabeya)" <yaneurabeya@gmail.com>, FreeBSD Current <current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: gptzfsboot grew a lot after skein support was added; need knob to control bloat
Message-ID:  <20170127173719.atrbjuj7mpwmf3o3@mutt-hardenedbsd>
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On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 12:35:21PM -0500, Allan Jude wrote:
> On 2017-01-27 12:33, Shawn Webb wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 12:30:17PM -0500, Allan Jude wrote:
> >> On 2017-01-27 12:05, Warner Losh wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Toomas Soome <tsoome@me.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 27. jaan 2017, at 1:40, Ngie Cooper (yaneurabeya) <yaneurabeya@g=
mail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>       I tried upgrading one of my workstations and unfortunately th=
e freebsd-boot partition is too small (I follow manpage directions, exactly=
, and those seem to be too small as of 10.3-RELEASE timeframe), and I don??=
?t have enough space or ability to resize the partition and make it bigger.=
 So, I???m in need of a build knob to control the bloat, and/or having an a=
lternative boot loader without geli/skein/crypto support compiled in. Would=
 you be opposed to the work?
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> -Ngie
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I do agree that since the geli knob is already there, it may do. Of =
course we also can think of additional knobs, but there is an issue - it wo=
nt help just to exclude some files, the additional features also do sit in =
the code, so the replacement stubs will be needed, also testing them all ov=
er will take some time. And the preprocessor spaghetti really is nasty thin=
g to deal with;)
> >>>>
> >>>> And then there is another issue (partly why I did the feature suppor=
t in first place) - as the kernel does not block user from enabling the fea=
tures, the user can end up facing non-bootable setup which is also not good=
, as user is using perfectly legal options, and still the whole thing is ju=
st rendered unusable???
> >>>
> >>> I'm curious why you can't find the space for a bigger partition?
> >>> Almost all drives these days are partitioned with a little wasted
> >>> space, and that wasted space should be more than enough to cover us
> >>> here. Also, most drives have a swap partition that can be shrunk a
> >>> trivial amount to get space for this...
> >>>
> >>> Warner
> >>>
> >>
> >> I need to do some testing to make a recipe that works for it, but the
> >> other option is to use the ZFS bootcode area.
> >>
> >> ZFS it self, reserves something like 3.5 mb of space in the ZFS
> >> partition, for boot code. This is how we boot ZFS on MBR.
> >>
> >> It should be possible to use this on GPT as well, we just don't.
> >=20
> > In the future, maybe it'd be a good idea for the installer to leave
> > more space (a few MB, perhaps?) between the freebsd-boot and
> > freebsd-swap partitions? At least, for ZFS installs.
> >=20
> > Thanks,
> >=20
>=20
> The PMBR code has a limitation for 536kb, and it all has to fit under
> the 640k barrier, so the current 512kb size is plenty. The issue is some
> people are upgrading from systems that were isntalled long ago, when
> 64kb or less was the default.

Gotcha. Thanks for the explanation.

--=20
Shawn Webb
Cofounder and Security Engineer
HardenedBSD

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