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Date:      Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:23:11 +1030
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org>
To:        jacks@sage-american.com
Cc:        Joe & Fhe Barbish <barbish@a1poweruser.com>, FBSD Questions <questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Editors in base FBSD
Message-ID:  <20020107102311.G45844@wantadilla.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020106095140.01937458@mail.sage-american.com>
References:  <LPBBIGIAAKKEOEJOLEGOMEIDCLAA.barbish@a1poweruser.com> <3.0.5.32.20020106095140.01937458@mail.sage-american.com>

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On Sunday,  6 January 2002 at  9:51:40 -0600, jacks@sage-american.com wrote:
> At 10:23 AM 1.6.2002 -0500, Joe & Fhe Barbish wrote:
>>
>> I know of vi and ee = very primitive and just primitive
>> that are part of the base. Are there any others?

If you think vi is very primitive, let alone more primitive than ee,
then you've missed something.  It's not primitive, it's very powerful,
but also a pain to use.

>> Are there any command line mouse enabled
>> cut & past editors in FBSD?
>
> Joe: You might consider running your FBSD box(es) directly from your
> Windowze workstaton (on LAN) using a telnet client like CRT (or even
> SecureCRT). It has all of the abilities for using the copy to
> clipboard as with the other win apps...

I can't possibly think of a worse solution.  I've never seen a
Microsoft-based telnet client that wasn't broken, the telnet protocol
is insecure, and I've never seen a really good editor which runs under
Microsoft.

> In fact, I hardly ever use the consoles at the FBSD boxes and use
> the Windoze Destop CRT to login to each FBSD box....  now, you have
> the best of all worlds with the usual win bells/whistles....

I wonder why you use FreeBSD at all.

And now the obligatory Emacs plug.  Yes, you *can* use the mouse with
Emacs.  Yes, you *can* cut, copy and paste (much more easily than with
Microsoft).  From time to time I have visitors here who have never
used UNIX of any flavour, but who want to read (and reply to) their
mail.  I've given them Emacs to play with (under X, of course), no
instruction, and they were able to cope.  On the other hand, Emacs is
much more powerful than anything I've ever seen under Microsoft
(including the Microsoft port of Emacs, available in the Cygwin
package).

Greg
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