From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 5 03:40:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5368F16A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 03:40:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF9243D1F for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 03:40:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 988C11C00093 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:40:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6B1EE1C0008F for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:40:00 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050205034000438.6B1EE1C0008F@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:39:47 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <205350680.20050205043947@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <4203F451.9070307@cis.strath.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: favor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 03:40:02 -0000 Ted Mittelstaedt writes: TM> If you post on a public forum, by implication you are giving that TM> forum permission to publish your copyrighted material. No, you're not. If you post to a public forum, you're giving implicit permission for your posts to be visible _within that forum_. You are not giving implicit permission for any other type of publication external to the forum ... and that includes mirroring on a Web site archive. The only way to get around this is to require agreement to licensing of posts as a condition of joining the forum. TM> Since at the time of publication of that post, the FreeBSD mailing TM> list was being archived, you also by implication gave your TM> permission for FreeBSD to put it into their archives. No, you didn't, unless joining the forum required you to _explicitly_ agree to these terms. TM> These are first publication rights and once you give them out you TM> cannot get them back, because after publication they don't exist any TM> longer. Nobody gives out these rights by posting to a forum. If what you say were true, you could walk into a photography museum, take pictures of the photos, and publish those pictures. In fact, this is normally an infringement of copyright. TM> The only thing that Valerie Andrewlevich, as a copyright holder TM> of her posts, can do is block 3rd parties such as Google or other TM> search engines from re-publishing her copyrighted material - ie: TM> her post - becase in her initial post back in 2003 she never gave TM> permission for Google to republish her material, and Google and other TM> search engines all republish under Fair Use doctrine. The applicability of fair use to Google's republication has not been established by jurisprudence, AFAIK. In any case, authors of individual posts can require that they be removed from the archive. TM> And of course, all of this goes out the window if the use of the TM> copyright is for satire - as the courts have held that satire is TM> constitutionally protected, and that it's reasonable to assume that TM> a satirist would never be able to get permission from a copyright TM> holder to publish their work. It's difficult to imagine a legitimate satirical use of posts in most public forums. TM> Which means I can say Valerie sounds like her kids aren't keeping TM> her busy enough as she has so much time for looking at search TM> engines, followed by an excerpt of her original post, and I TM> have legal right to do it and she has no right to stop me, because TM> such a statement is satire and thus protected. That depends on the context in which it appears. It may be defamatory. TM> He is a She, unless Valerie has suddenly become a boy's name, and TM> she quite obviously shows a shocking lack of knowledge about how TM> much effort that she is asking the archive manager to go to, just TM> to satisfy her ego. The amount of effort required to cease or reverse an infringing activity is not a defense against copyright infringement. -- Anthony