From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 22 5:12:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4646137B401 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 05:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-b101.otenet.gr [195.167.121.229]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4MCCKHY003462; Wed, 22 May 2002 15:12:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4M8URM8004350; Wed, 22 May 2002 11:30:28 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g4M8URFJ004349; Wed, 22 May 2002 11:30:27 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:30:27 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Terry Lambert Cc: Chip McClure , Brad Knowles , FreeBSD Chat Mailing List Subject: Re: /.: Microsoft Cites National Security to Justify Closed Source Message-ID: <20020522083027.GB4265@hades.hell.gr> References: <20020521180055.D98860-100000@hades.gigguardian.com> <3CEB381B.AB516BBC@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3CEB381B.AB516BBC@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-05-21 23:18, Terry Lambert wrote: > I find it all incredibly amusing. > > If someone figures out how to exploit the bug, now that it's > been "mentioned", then... > > Microsoft was right: disclosure results in exploits, > and the source code is the most blatant possible > disclosure > > If someone doesn't figure out how to exploit the bug, now that > it's been "mentioned", then... > > Microsoft was right: it's only the non-publication > of the source code itself which has saved us all > > Heads, I win, tails, you lose. Nah, there's a long history of bugs being discovered by `users' who didn't have any access to the source code. Admittedly, some of them had access to assemblers, disassemblers, and similar tools, but hey that's not the source, is it? :) -- Giorgos Keramidas - http://www.FreeBSD.org keramida@FreeBSD.org - The Power to Serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message