From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 25 18:38:32 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1B6DDEB6A for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 18:38:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay15.qsc.de (mailrelay15.qsc.de [212.99.187.254]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CB926BDFB for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 18:38:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay15.qsc.de; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:38:22 +0200 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-85-107.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.85.107]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED48E3C77D; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:38:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v7PIcKC4002042; Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:38:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:38:20 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Alejandro Imass Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: [OT] two birds with one stone :) Message-Id: <20170825203820.34094965.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20170816021959.R12950@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay15.qsc.de with 6686968351C X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.1328 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 18:38:32 -0000 On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 10:23:36 -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: > I am amazed at how large companies have blindly bought into Amazon AWS > and don't even realize how outrageously expensive it becomes when you > actually do scale. It isn't obvious in regards of management and decision skills, and it doesn't matter in the _current_ quarter. Additionally, paying qualified and motivated system operations personnel (like system administrators or programmers) costs the "wrong" kind of money. That's why it matters what you spend money on. Expensive stuff "as a service" - material costs, they send us an invoice, and we can deduct it from our taxes, or we simply raise our prices and let the stupid consumer pay the price. Employees - personnel costs, no no, that just pollutes our balance and lets us look as if we can't deal with money. And we are a growth-oriented startup with $500M investment, so it doesn't really matter... That's why paying money for expensive services that do not scale is "money well spent". :-) > Orders of magnitude higher than the cost and risk > of real sysadmins and real hardware. But that forces a company to deal with real assets which do physically exist, and it forces them to recognize their social responsibilities regarding their workforce. > Most applications are being > developed around RDS, SQS and all the other packaged services that AWS > offers, and certified AWS TechOps dudes are becoming evermore stupid > Amazon drones.... which is getting these companies in a vendor lock > situation that I hadn't seen since the 80's. Correct! This creates a new kind of "certified consultants" who firstly make the big bucks, but then, the price declines until they become a cheap commodity, but there is no way back. > It's like Microsoft all > over again but now using the very same Open Source technology that we > helped build all these years. But it comes with lots of marketing-speak BS and green traffic lights, so it must be the only way to go, right? ;-) > Scary stuff when you see how much of the Internet is on AWS.... And AWS failures make you actually _realize_ this scary tendency... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...