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To: Jens Rehsack <rehsack@liwing.de>
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In message <3E8B093D.4010500@liwing.de>, Jens Rehsack writes:

>The problem I see with that is, that even a minimalistic base install 
>installs things like sendmail, ppp, atm-stuff, g77 and so on.
>
>I really think splitting the base in some sub-parts would it make much 
>easier to do NO_SENDMAIL on my own. So I had to remove each not required 
>file separately. That's no good solution.

The trick is to split along some unambigous subsystem lines and to
have only one layer with no dependencies.

For instance, you can separate out things like ATM and ISDN4BSD, but
not NetGraph (because both of the above depends on it) and so on.

The main stumblingblock is the shortage of brave souls willing to venture
into make release and sysinstall.

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