Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:36:17 +0000 From: Eric Joyner <ricera10@gmail.com> To: C Gray <frankfenderbender@council124.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a rant about soundcards and its endless dead-time Message-ID: <CA%2Bb0zg9G=hQP=zTKM53xy-8OL39PQauvdVoqUxt0dZG0Oea0XQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <EF6F136C-3442-4633-8BBB-ED031973915E@council124.org> References: <EF6F136C-3442-4633-8BBB-ED031973915E@council124.org>
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Why not just get a PCI-E sound card in the first place? I don't know why someone would go out of their way to get a PCI one in 2018. - Eric On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 8:20 PM C Gray <frankfenderbender@council124.org> wrote: > So, I ordered the Creative Sound Blaster Live! SB0060: > a) it is an accepted EMU10K1 chipset; > b) it is listed as supported in FreeBSD's snd_emu10kx(4) driver < > https://freebsd.org/releases/11.1R/hardware.html#sound>; > c) it does not state PCIe x4 or x8. > d) < > http://txmicro.com/creative-labs-sound-blaster-live-pci-sound-card-sb0060= />> > is a typical listing, > usually found leading to dead web pages, a loss-leader, or an > no-return Amazon store. > > =E2=80=A2 Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! PCI Sound Card > =E2=80=A2 General Features: > =E2=80=A2 Interface: PCI > =E2=80=A2 E-mu Systems, Inc. EMU10K1 chipset > =E2=80=A2 64-voice hardware polyphony with E-mus patented 8-point > interpolation technology > =E2=80=A2 48 MIDI channels with 128 GM & GS compatible instrument= s and 10 > drum kits > =E2=80=A2 Support for real-time digital effects like reverb, chor= us, > flanger, > =E2=80=A2 pitch shifter, or distortion across any audio source > =E2=80=A2 Capable of processing, mixing and positioning audio str= eams > using up to 131 > =E2=80=A2 available hardware channels > =E2=80=A2 Accelerates Microsoft DirectSound and DirectSound 3D > =E2=80=A2 Processes bit resolutions from 4-bit to 16-bit > =E2=80=A2 Processes sample rates from 5kHz to 48kHz > =E2=80=A2 Hardware full duplex support enables simultaneous recor= d and > playback at > =E2=80=A2 8 standard sample rates > =E2=80=A2 Utilizes AC 97 Audio Codec > =E2=80=A2 Supports Sound Blaster MIDI and MPU-401 modes > =E2=80=A2 On-Board Connectors: > =E2=80=A2 Line in > =E2=80=A2 Microphone in > =E2=80=A2 Line Level Out (front) / Headphone Out > =E2=80=A2 Line Level Out (rear) > =E2=80=A2 15-pin MIDI / Joystick port > =E2=80=A2 Telephone Answering Device In > =E2=80=A2 MPC-3 Analog CD Audio In > =E2=80=A2 MPC-3 AUX Audio In > =E2=80=A2 SPDIF Audio In > =E2=80=A2 Sound Card Only (no drivers or software are included) > > The search string for a card for a system only 78 years old shows how > little the throwaway anti-ecology > "high tech" (more like "high toxin") industry has people willingly > expecting. The "high" stands for high profit-margin as the only motivatio= n. > > My search will never find anything, esp. given that the search engine war > went to a company hell-bent on refusing the world use to its own history, > knowledge, and tools: > "Creative Sound Blaster Audigy" AND ("EMU10K2" OR "CA0100" OR > "CA0101") AND "PCM" AND "MIDI" AND ("PCIe x4" OR "PCIe x8" OR "PCI-X") > > I was sent the following: > Cards do NOT fit and run in any slot if the slots and card inserts are > kept in the "need to know" zone. > > False advertising and planned obsolescence run the industry. > That isn't why I got my ASCST and BSCS degrees in the late 1980s. > > I have standardized slots for in my Dell PowerEdge T300 server as follows= : > slot 1: 3.3-V, full-length PCIe x4 with x8 connector > slot 2: 3.3-V, full-length PCIe x4 > slot 3: 3.3-V, full-length PCIe x8 > slot 4: 3.3-V, full-length PCIe x8 > slot 5: 3.3-V, full-length PCI-X > > The technology may have switched, like Apple changing connectors or the > "hit factory" music industry changing media, however, the programs are > worse, the computers die from bad 1/2-cent capacitor placement next to he= at > sources, and the music gets more PCfully-banal every day. > > So, I guess I choose "none of the above". > I'll program w/o that whiney noise droning from some narcissist's > beefed-up genderless lips. > Soundcards, like the "open" Apples of the II+ era, memory management, > platform-independent programming, quality assurance, and scientific searc= h > engines have all been murdered because they hurt someone's feelings no > doubt. > > The FreeBSD list needs to actually be based in less of a Venn-diagram > abstract and more in a list or real card models numbers which have been > verified, but that would be documentation and QA, and science. This 1984 > world of 2+2=3D5 with all of its labor-instensive "convenience" gives us = the > delusion of wisdom when we reinvent the ball over and over and over... an= d > quite by accident. > > For me, it's a choice: smash the hell out of this useless card as was don= e > in "Office Space" to that mind-numbing printer error programmer in effigy= , > or, spend more life time pretending I'll solve anything besides building = up > Jeff Bezos' bank account and social control by circling (x,y)=3D(0.0) in > flatland, the zero-sum of "high tech". > > My question about sound? > How sound is it to ruin the future by deleting the past before its shadow > even climbs out of bed? > I save money in my fleeting past to pay for stuff that lasts a shorter an= d > shorter period BY POLICY. > The old Apple people put their feet down and started manufacturing their > own cards when tech pimps kept reducing support and manuals for what you > just paid for until you are buying something already outdated or broken b= y > design. > At times like these I am embarrassed to have worked in this field and ver= y > sorry I decided to write software at all. > > Sound depressed? Yes. > I apologize for the rant but working w/o a voice is slavish. > Have a better weekend than I, > chris > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >
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