Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 10:59:41 -0600 From: "A. Wilcox" <AWilcox@Wilcox-Tech.com> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISO image: where is the CLANG compiler? Message-ID: <5884E4FD.9010103@Wilcox-Tech.com> In-Reply-To: <20170119101636.5537f4fd@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> References: <20170118084502.617bfc94@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> <A73ED94A-89CE-41C5-98D2-F1611476797B@digsys.bg> <20170118101915.523d7d7b@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> <20170118123515.GE58505@zxy.spb.ru> <20170118160801.229b4134@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> <20170118153832.GA6905@c720-r292778-amd64> <20170118203726.7dea0515@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <ce772c1c-7506-6488-a6ae-6b95b2be8a20@freebsd.org> <20170119055816.GA2184@c720-r292778-amd64> <20170119101636.5537f4fd@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de>
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This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --wh33RdDkwR1GmkwqElqKQmTBGdesTO7RG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 19/01/17 03:16, O. Hartmann wrote: > I created images on CURRENT of my own - they all lack in the ability of= having > the necessary tools aboard. So I consider every image useless for rescu= e > operations except, maybe, the DVD image - but this one is not provided = anymore. > For what reason? Time? Accepted. Space/disk usage? Well, welcome back i= n the > stoneage of computer technology ...=20 >=20 > I remember faintly that there was a small discussion on the @CURRENT li= st, but > I didn't realize that the result would be the extraction of the compile= r. >=20 > Just for the record: most servers delivered to us do not have CD/DVD dr= ives > anymore - they are outdated and considered an extra these days. Purchas= ing 1 GB > USB thumbdrives is getting even harder, smallest size my employer provi= des now > is 2 GB. And most optical drives are DVD. From my point of view - and t= his is a > personal view - the "standard" is > 1GB so there is no need to break do= wn by > force the FreeBSD image (if size is the reason) down to < 800 MB or < 1= GB. I'd > consider having < 2GB the line of standards (2 GB USB mem drive). > And for those, with need of very small images, smaller images could be = provided > as the extra. Installation media is not rescue media. Perhaps there should be a dedicated rescue disc that does not contain bsdinstall and the sets (we used to have "fixit" media until at least 8.x days). Everything else I have to say, I have said before: -------- Forwarded Message -------- Received: (qmail 20810 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2016 21:08:51 -0000 Subject: Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB C= D-r To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org From: A. Wilcox <AWilcox@Wilcox-Tech.com> Message-ID: <5785692E.8090203@Wilcox-Tech.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 17:03:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: <51734d0a-60da-6439-b5c1-1af14e740d00@multiplay.co.uk> On 12/07/16 15:58, Steven Hartland wrote: > On 12/07/2016 21:50, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 01:39:34PM -0700, Conrad Meyer wrote: >> >>> Maybe Tier 2 can deal with just bootonly.iso. Or your machines shoul= d >>> be dropped from Tier 2 if they don't support USB and we aren't okay >>> with dropping disc1 support for all of Tier 2. That is pretty much all SPARC hardware and a lot of POWER hardware. Not to mention newer rack-mount servers that have no USB on front (IBM). And what of the servers that already have functional CD drives? Do we really now have to recommending buying SCSI/SATA slimline or USB DVD drives just to boot installation media? That's a heavy cost when you can fit nearly all other BSDs on a single regular 650 (84 MB for NetBSD 7.0.1 + 223 MB for OpenBSD 5.9 + 385 MB for "TrueOS"/PC-BSD Server 10.3 =3D 692 MB, all sizes amd64 install iso including sets). >> Not all BIOS can be boot from USB. >> I am have Fujitsu notebook not support USB boot. > From a USB Pen drive I can understand but from a USB DVD Drive that > would be some seriously antiquated hardware! I have a Core 2-era Xeon board (Wolfdale-DP, Intel 5000 based) that cannot under any circumstances boot from a connected USB device. It won't boot from a USB DVD, USB CD, USB pen, or USB hard disk (USBMSC). I hardly consider a server that is 7 years old "antiquated" though I concede it is not the newest. Beyond that, there are security issues with allowing servers to boot off of any random USB device that an admin has lying around. Most will be configured by good admins to not do such a thing. In summary: NAK NAK NAK. USB is not a solution. Bringing down the bloat on disc1 or returning to miniinst is the proper solution. ~arw --=20 A. Wilcox (awilfox) Open-source programmer (C, C++, Python) https://code.foxkit.us/u/awilfox/ --wh33RdDkwR1GmkwqElqKQmTBGdesTO7RG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJYhOT9AAoJEMspy1GSK50U96wP/0ci/o5XHEDzO6zvEkYga+v6 pQzZKe5gXwx7bOhBgaGLDKQ87P1RzX+KF6h9g9/A4reyfIg+HLDrDluV8fxn6dlk 3PMv3h2dCRjFHtBX7EV83L2T+MoQUQS8xDGdHHoEqaUjPuJoOAAx+ww5fhHq2Gtv vB9uyf5yKdmEO4EF1zdFQ6ucM9yrOTBlWCTseZyQuSooOf/7eXVxyw/8/5SBZ8RP 2vNS9TJftV0eZUMPpkZQOMOkPdLxAwd9SuudDvlkbLLhN0soGcXvHEBpmYbjIESE NCKeJJlzJn66brtE8Zz3lhl4j9cv7B/H/YExc9Zq1gnkbDJoRwWxjG695Pc3ZlcP thbKtSXZCUjAQalax+g2F17fi2EiKymVuFQIdxo/0tr8d4ZnjmXToGOmd4YJDr8O o/ZniYaZIX5Q691rAPhcv5OBawV7Q3bN9EtrgQp91kdgxxFpyd9rel3f4REEQOo8 gTfuhDbKwcA+1jBNYNv2N8y8Uwyg3gcfiw9DZBVMvD5+5gXpEK43xyBoISozcOui U4dI2Oy9VZO+XLjMiRAF/m8oWgK2VJC5W8YEEvb4VS+MFiqhDrBe+JiKSxFHYYcb 4Y1NcOuoK1DkweWGaD59fSkscidwXpoZQheqV7SynBvKk80xQMrfMPs4Hs9cVi91 3XYRdvOR3+ZrcT6C5JLq =HnRV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wh33RdDkwR1GmkwqElqKQmTBGdesTO7RG--
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