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Date:      Wed, 09 Dec 1998 18:05:36 -0800
From:      "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>
To:        Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
Cc:        Kevin Van Maren <vanmaren@fast.cs.utah.edu>, committers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Swat teams (was: problem reports) 
Message-ID:  <28264.913255536@zippy.cdrom.com>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:30:02 %2B1030." <19981210123002.K12688@freebie.lemis.com> 

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> This might be a short-sighted viewpoint, especially if you have
> Godot's phone number.

I tried it - you always get an answering machine with a recorded
message saying "I'll call you right back!"

> Fine, but I haven't seen it happening.  I got a lot of documentation
> when I got my commit privileges, but nothing said ``now go and close
> your 1000 PRs''.

Joining committers is already an exercise which carries a great deal
of anxiety for the new member as it is.  In all seriousness, I think
this would scare a lot of folks into simply running away again.
Closing even 10 PRs, much less 1000, can be more work than it appears
or people would probably close 10 for fun before breakfast every
morning and we wouldn't have a problem at all.

> You misunderstand.  You (or whoever) don't have to do the work, you
> just need to keep an eye on it: in other words, ensure that people
> with too little experience or too extreme views don't mishandle PRs.

Well, many complained that phk was doing exactly that with his
mass-move of PRs to the suspended state so we stopped that, but I
haven't exactly seen anything better arise in place of that
arrangement yet.  I can keep an eye on it until the cows come home and
die of old age, but what's that supposed to accomplish most of the
time? :-)

> That was an example.  But I haven't been able to get it to work on my
> net for at least 6 months.  This is the kind of PR that can be
> mishandled:

Or too vague to handle at all. ;) Thanks for the excellent example of
why many PRs go unclosed and getting into a dialog with each and every
such submitter for more information is a scary thing indeed to
contemplate when you look at the sheer number of PRs and the depths of
cluelessness represented in some of them...

- Jordan

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