From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 6 09:06:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2303A327; Sun, 6 Oct 2013 09:06:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-x233.google.com (mail-ie0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC70B2F8E; Sun, 6 Oct 2013 09:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f179.google.com with SMTP id e14so13438512iej.10 for ; Sun, 06 Oct 2013 02:06:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=E6b+sKD98tUJLacYWNN6wm+4klaFyQtWmWwdf/KekN4=; b=zAFdYnf35OwTOYD2G9L868pfJwgOcwFh+UJL2SIn5v1UNWsruq4L7XLSNz0ct9PE7L nY3WPfq8qZFO0gcxqp5hVmBksSB9vHLtAQQxMCQunxDaGRfS5KGCiqoo7vsXFylz5oCV WYbH0Hx7jHPAVdftJlYsCdl9SLZ0DoNtSM0Zbz2vHf3mlTkDYQHcLcfz2exqmIrHmZ4v J/Yxp/ic49STxWX0aaQAic4kSXEaGvzAFsI3bo4bcp5tSL1RBonBtmXE3C/nq2g7LdoL Uj3qQyKmMaAyP0i94A3SdoNSjjegLU19HMzlaVmYJNv9mJoHI1L9f6JHDtAxqpVgZoH/ m6UA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.43.180.200 with SMTP id pf8mr8561icc.50.1381050362199; Sun, 06 Oct 2013 02:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.9.97 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Oct 2013 02:06:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20131006154515.01c14ded@X220.ovitrap.com> References: <201310031535.r93FZ6D1095088@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20131003153825.GB1581@oldfaithful.bebik.local> <5250BA2E.3030409@FreeBSD.org> <20131006102955.4191e4a4@X220.ovitrap.com> <20131006120117.183b20ce@X220.ovitrap.com> <5251094E.2030800@FreeBSD.org> <20131006154515.01c14ded@X220.ovitrap.com> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 05:06:02 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: About FreeBSD.org visitors From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Erich Dollansky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Matthew Seaman X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2013 09:06:03 -0000 On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:45 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 07:55:10 +0100 > Matthew Seaman wrote: > > > On 06/10/2013 05:01, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > this type is called 'design'. As an engineer I do the software > > > behind an website but I do not dare to make the design. Ok, I tell > > > the designer, when I think the design could be improved but I do > > > not dare th change it myself. > > > > The trick is to realise that site design is simply another form of > > engineering, albeint with rather different contexts and constraints > > than writing software. > > > > Writing a website so that the users can interact with it readily, find > > and understand what they wat, avoid frustration and have a pleasant > > overall experience is conceptually much the same sort of thing as > > writing a website so it doesn't hog server resources or continually > > fail ungracefully or have a badly indexed sub-optimal database schema. > > Basically you want it to do it's job efficiently and smoothly, whether > > 'it' is the back-end server code, or the on-screen presentation. > > > > Granted, optimizing sites for human interaction is a whole different > > skill set, but it's not some holy task that only some annointed > > designer with the mandate of heaven can undertake. > > yes, it is not rocket science but - as you said - a different skill set. > > Erich > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_engineering The first sentence : *Software engineering* (*SE*) is the application of a systematic, disciplined, quantifiable approach to the design, development, operation, and maintenance of software , and the study of these approaches; that is, the application of engineeringto software. Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk