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Date:      Fri, 21 Dec 2001 22:57:42 -0800
From:      "Jeremiah Gowdy" <jeremiah@sherline.com>
To:        "Andrew C. Hornback" <achornback@worldnet.att.net>, <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Java development platform comparison (was: RE: Microsoft Advocacy?)
Message-ID:  <000f01c18ab6$0398a1a0$a700a8c0@cptnhosedonkey>
References:  <002801c18aa6$8bcc22a0$6600000a@ach.domain>

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> Which leads me to ask, what are the differences in developing Java on a
> FreeBSD platform and that of other platforms

There is a difference.  It's called the-support-of-Sun-Microsystems.  The
way Sun only supports selected platforms, picks and chooses who they decide
to work with, and fails to open certain source for the benefit of their own
language they're pushing as a standard, I have no more love for Sun than
Microsoft.  I'm sure if Microsoft were to be put out of business, the next
day Sun Microsystems would easily rise into their position.  I see no more
reason to move to Sun's Java than to Microsoft's C#.  At least there are
rumors of Microsoft hiring FreeBSD developers to produce a C# engine for
FreeBSD.  When I see a JDK 1.4.x native and supported by Sun under FreeBSD,
then maybe I'll care about their language.  I took the class in college, it
was good, easy units.  However, it just reminds me a little too much of MFC
<gag>.  I don't want OOP to be the beast that swallows the world.  It has
it's place, and the concepts are immortal, but sometimes you take a good
concept and push it a little too far.

> (Linux and Solaris, exclude
> Microsoft from this discussion)?  (And yes, I'm fully aware that Microsoft
> no longer produces a Java product as they had their ass sued off by Sun
and
> had to sell their botched J++ product to Rational Software).

Sun makes a perfectly good VM and JDK for Windows :)  I run it on my Windows
XP boxes which don't include the Microsoft VM by default.

> Why is Linux a better platform for Java development than FreeBSD?

Have you tried developing Java under FreeBSD ?  I have.  Kudos to those who
are involved in the porting process, but only the Linux JDK with emulation
worked for my needs, and it too had problems.  Even if you read the Java for
FreeBSD page, you can see that they're not entirely confident and not
promising anything but their best effort.  I was eventually forced to move
my Java programming to Sun's Win32 JDK.  You don't need J++ or any other
Java IDE, Sun's JDK works excellently on the platforms they support.  Why
the hell they can't port the JDK to FreeBSD, when the whole idea is supposed
to be Multi-Platform, I do not know.



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